New Annual Health and Medical Record

[smtroop168]

I found this info on another forum. I'm quoting his post verbatim.


"The Boy Scouts of America has released a new Annual Health and Medical Record, a new one stop medical record for your use. This new form will replace the former Class 1, 2, and 3 forms, which will be phased out during 2009. The new form, No. 34605, will be required effective January 1, 2010, and for the 2010 National Scout Jamboree.

You can read an overview on the new form at:
http://www.scoutingnews.org/2008/12/19/ ... al-record/

or you can find the new form on the bottom of the Scouting Safely section of the National Council website:"
http://www.scouting.org/HealthandSafety.aspx

[Billiken]

Scouts must now have an annual exam.
About time.........

[wagionvigil]

This is going to PO some folks. I am really happy they are putting weight restrictions in.I can use these to weed out scouts and adults that should not be climbing. Sorry to sound mean but it is more a safety issue for staff than anything else.

[Billiken]

wagion:

Absolutely agree re the safety issue.

FAQs also specifically state that form B must be used...can't substitute another physical form.

[wagionvigil]

I am glad they are finally doing this. There are too many Boys that need to loose a ton of weight maybe this will encourage the push away from the table. I have also seen leaders that really have no business doing more than sitting in a campsite. When you see some of the people that served on staff at past Jamborees you wonder. What are they doing here? I see 2010 as a walki where yu need to go and if you cannot you will not be there. All this will not say that because you meet these standards that you will not have a problem. Just a lesser problem.

[ThunderingWind]

Well, this means I am now out of Scouting because of my weight and so is another great leader. While my doctors states I am in good health, I am over the limit for my height. The legal language leaves no room for the doctor to say the participant is in shape. The other leader is a weight lifter.

And I was so looking forward to going Sea Base this summer and being at the Jamboree.

It has been fun while it lasted.

[wagionvigil]

Does not eliminate you from Jamboree
This does not take effect until 2010
I did not post this to cause a problem but to show you where BSA is going with H & S. In many cases someone may just have to drop a couple of pounds and in others it may take more work. The problem there are those that put themselves and the Youth they are with in jeopardy. AT the last Jamboree we had at least two fatal heart attacks that I know of. At Laurel Caverns shortly after that Jamboree we had a SM pass away in his tent with his son in our camp ground.
The data speaks for itself when it comes to being over weight.The Jamboree will not eliminate you for this it will be up to your Medical Provider and the Sub camp Medical staff will do a recheck. The High Adventure Bases that is another thing, they have enforced this for several years. A friend went to Philmont last year with his unit.After the travel etc his BP was over their allowable level and he had to sit at Base camp until it went down.In his case it was three days out of their 10 there. They did get him to his unit.
At Laurel Caverns if you have a problem in the lower cave it can take up to 12 hours to evac.
AT the Jamboree there are Medical personal everywhere both BSA and Military Medics.My Rappel Tower has at most times a Nurse and 5 Paramedics and at least 6 WFA certified EMT's. This is all over the Jamboree so medical help is no more than a few feet away.
Everyone get outside start walking and burn it off. I know Muscle is heavier than fat

[mt_goodrich]

The weight part affects me; however, using it as one of my motivating tools to lose weight. Troop has Philmont trek in 2010 and I plan on being there.

Also, I know I need to lose the weight for my health and BP.

[wagionvigil]

Instead of everyone getting upset at the BSA. Folks should be getting upset with themselves and do something about it. They say Americans on average gain 7-10pounds over the Christmas Holidays. For all,of us that could be affected,me included, it is time to say no and push away from the table

[PaulSWolf]

FYI, I've modified the Personal Fitness Merit Badge page on the US Scouting Service Project at http://usscouts.org/mb/mb010.asp to provide links to the new form and BSA's FAQ.

[Billiken]

While all first aid skills are important...............

The one skill I want our Scouts to truly know:
CPR
The one skill I hope they never have to use:
CPR

[wagionvigil]

Mark I highly recommend the WIldernes First Aid course It is Outstanding.

[AquilaNegra2]

Wow. Those weight limits are not very high for people with large builds. It pretty well excludes anyone who lifts weights. And it makes no distinction between BOY and MAN. A 14 year old boy who is 5'10" and weighs 225 is very different from a 40 year old man who weighs the same (and, no, I don't fall into this category). At least it says this (for now), "Enforcing the height/weight limit is strongly encouraged for all other events, but it is not mandatory." I *don't* think this will be an encouragement to lose weight. People who are overweight already KNOW they're overweight. I think it will instead be DIScouraging.

One good thing is that the immunization now lists as recommended -- "The following are recommended by the BSA." However, I could only find a *religious* exemption for immunizations on the BSA site. Anyone know where to find a medical exemption or conviction exemption?

[wagionvigil]

Wow. Those weight limits are not very high for people with large builds. It pretty well excludes anyone who lifts weights. And it makes no distinction between BOY and MAN. A 14 year old boy who is 5'10" and weighs 225 is very different from a 40 year old man who weighs the same (and, no, I don't fall into this category). At least it says this (for now), "Enforcing the height/weight limit is strongly encouraged for all other events, but it is not mandatory." I *don't* think this will be an encouragement to lose weight. People who are overweight already KNOW they're overweight. I think it will instead be DIScouraging.

One good thing is that the immunization now lists as recommended -- "The following are recommended by the BSA." However, I could only find a *religious* exemption for immunizations on the BSA site. Anyone know where to find a medical exemption or conviction exemption?

Does no exist as far as I know also many of the Diseases that we thought were gone are making a come back Why?

[AquilaNegra2]

Wagion, some people have family histories with particular immunizations (Pertussis immediately comes to mind). Others should not be receiving particular immunizations (for instance, if you have eczema you shouldn't get thesmallpox vaccination). Some of the vaccines listed are surrounded with controversy. And some families don't subscribe to conventional thought on immunizations.

We had a Scout with whooping cough last year. His younger two siblings hadn't been vaccinated against it; his older ones had. They all got it equally, and got over it at about the same rate (took the older ones a little longer). Over a month quarantined in their house. We'd visited (and others had, too) before it was diagnosed and suffered no ill effect.

The point is that there is no consensus on which vaccinations are necessary. Even our local school district allows "non-medical" (not necessarily religious) exemptions.

As far as your question, I would guess that since fewer than 2% of the public school population uses the exemptions, it is a reflection of poor diet, not enough outside time, and diseases from immigration. We recently did our public health badges, and during our visit to the Dept. of Public Health learned that there are considerable Tuberculosis cases in our area -- 99.9% of which are from people immigrating from third world countries (she allowed that there might be one case out there that wasn't).

[smtroop168]

FYI, I've modified the Personal Fitness Merit Badge page on the US Scouting Service Project at http://usscouts.org/mb/mb010.asp to provide links to the new form and BSA's FAQ.

That Paul...he's all over this stuff.

Don't forget Medicine MB 7A Visit a physician's office,** preferably one who delivers "primary care." (This may be that of your counselor.) Discuss the components of a medical history and physical examination (an official BSA health form may be used to guide this discussion), and become familiar with the instruments used.

[AquilaNegra2]

#2 says, "Thankfully there is no bottom limit!" (He's in a growth spurt and his BMI is currently 16.

[hops_scout]

I look at this two ways.

1) If the BSA wants overall healthy adults out there that are likely to be lower-risk for heart attack, stroke, CVD, etc then the weights provided don't mean much.

2) If the BSA wants to try making sure that a group will be able to carry an injured person then these numbers do make a little bit of sense. However, some of those numbers are still pretty high...


Let me give you an a couple of examples as to where the numbers are flawed.

How can a 5' person and a 6' person fall under the same "recommended weight?"

The common example of a muscular athletic-build person who is "heavy" but in excellent shape.


I currently fall into the "allowable exception" category for my height. If I were to reach the "maximum limit" then I'd have more worries than my BSA membership... Meanwhile, for my BMI to get down to mid-range normal I would have to lose 35 pounds. Somehow I just don't see that happening..

[PaulSWolf]

Don't forget Medicine MB 7A Visit a physician's office,** preferably one who delivers "primary care." (This may be that of your counselor.) Discuss the components of a medical history and physical examination (an official BSA health form may be used to guide this discussion), and become familiar with the instruments used.

Thanks. I've added it there, too.

I also noticed that BSA has removed the pdfs of the old Class 1 & 2 and Class 3 forms, from their download site. Links to the old forms bring up the new form instead. So I've removed links to the old forms from the pages as well.

[mt_goodrich]

Mark I highly recommend the WIldernes First Aid course It is Outstanding.

I signed up last week for a course in April. Wanted to do it sooner, but already full.