In - Troop JLT Program Help

[EagleBoy62204]

I am a HUGE beliver that JLT should always be taught by the scout's individual troop instead of the council. Also I still belive in the the scouts participating should represent the troop's best mature, and bright leaders.


Here in Detroit Area Council, we have a council wide JLT.
This program is very well thought out and preformed however the boys that participate in this program are always the ages of 12 - 14.

In our troop my scoutmaster only sends those who are 13 and have first class. many of these kids that are sent from other troops would vary from Scout to as high as Eagle with 2nd palm.



Earlier this year my SPL and friend, asked me to help them with writing a IN Troop JLT program.
I Am asking for anyone who has success in these to help me with some ideas.
I still belive in sending the kids in my troop to jlt. but i also want them to go through another program for handling and leading the kids in their own troop.. not just others outside the troop.
(im not the scoutmaster, however.. i am very active in the scouts activity... since i am a newly added assist. scoutmaster... of 18 years of age.)

Thank You.

[commish3]

Good for you Eagleboy, in fact there are already two levels of leadership training available for you to start with within the troop.

The first is Introduction to Leadership Conference, a series of short personal conferences (one for each troop position) that is held with a scout as soon as they are elected or selected to a position of responsibilility. Each conference includes a job description, available resources and goal setting. You will find the agendas for these conferences in the second resource you can use, the Scoutmaster's Junior Leader Training Kit.

Along with the Intro to Leadership Conferences you will find a one day leadership training workshop designed for the Scoutmaster or qualified Junior Leader to lead.

Finally you have the new Senior Patrol Leader Handbook and Patrol Leader Handbook. You can develop a mentoring program around the contents of the handbooks as you help to develop the junior leaders in the troop.

I hope you find these resources helpful.

[scoutmasterbob]

There is a JLT training kit that is available for the troop level, it includes a videos, and a manual so troops can conduct their own troop level JLT.

The kit contains Descriptions of each Position of Responsibility, a table of organization, and has games and learning activities as part of an all day training session, lunch is even a learning experience.

Contact your council office to see if they have a training kit available for troop use.

[don]

FYI
There is JLT and there is JLTC.
JLTC (Junior Leader Training Conference)is being replaced with NYLT= National Youth Leader Training.
JLT (Junior Leader Training) is for troops. It is a very good training for all scout leaders in a troop. To help scouts become better leaders.
JLTC is a different program, to give scouts even more leadership skills. In a different setting than there troop.
I think that JLT should be for everyone in the troop that wants it.
JLTC is for the future leaders of the troop.
There is a reason that the JLTC is done outside the troop settings, it is used as another teaching tool.

[EagleBoy62204]

jltc .. well in our troop we call it jlt.. same thing basically.. but yeah they changed it to that nylt crap.

i dont know how well the program is run.. but from the ways i hear they changed it drastically...

i would actually like to sit in on one of the campouts but my scheduale this past summer was quite hectic.

[don]

Lets try this again. My 1st message was a little confusing, but most of them seem to be. Getting thoughts across on a message board does not seem to be a strength of mine.
JLT = Junior leader training
JLT it is designed to be trained at the troop level. It is setup to help the scouts understand the troop structure and what is expected with a POR.
I think it should be done every year for the new scouts, with the older scouts doing the training.

JLTC = Junior Leader Training Conference
A week long course, to help the leaders (scouts) of the troop better their commutation with other scouts and adult leaders. And how to better utilize the resources of the troop, and how a troop should function.

The 2 course do share some of the same training topics, but they are really two separate trainings.
I do not see how a troop could do justice to the week long training for JLTC at the troop level. One of the keys for the youth is to be able to work with other scouts and adults.
I am sorry to hear that you do not like the JLTC course at your council.
I have not seen the syllabus for NYLT, so I cannot comment on it. I should be seeing it in the next couple of weeks.

[scoutmasterbob]

don said:

I do not see how a troop could do justice to the week long training for JLTC at the troop level. One of the keys for the youth is to be able to work with other scouts and adults.

You are correct, the week long course is much more detailed and involved than the troop level training.
The troop level training is more of an introduction to leadership and should be done every time you elect new leadership in your troop.
It covers things like communication, conflict resolution, problem solving, and of course learning games for a little fun.

The Great Salt Lake Council has a JLT Conference called Silver Moccasin, it is run like the Woodbadge courses, a week long course, the boys are even given "ticket" items to work on after they return to their troop before they earn their Silver Moccassin. I dont know if all the JLT conferences around the country are called "Silver Moccassin" or if it just our council. It is a great training tool.

I think The OA has one called Coup Trail.

[don]

The Conference is called Thunderbird in the Three Fires Council.
Each council is encouraged to pick a name for its JLTC.
Three Fires Council does not have a ticket. Not sure why some council do. It is not in the syllabus, not sure if they adapted in from Wood Badge or what.
We have 3 separate troops with 6 patrols, 8 per patrol. The council has filled the conference for the last 6 years, with 3 troops.

ASM Thunderbird 2003
SM Thunderbird 2004
??? 2005 ???

As one of the Troop Guides said after the conference Thunderbird ROCKS!

[fgilpin]

The Scoutmaster's Junior Leader Training Kit which was a video (AV-02V013) and a book (#34306) has been replaced with something called Troop Leadership Training (#34306A). The only way I was able to get the new book was to call National Supply and order it. It was about $7.00. Here is the blurb about it from National's web site:

Troop Leadership Training, No. 34306A, has been rolled out to replace the Scoutmaster Junior Leader Training Kit. It is organized into three one-hour modules, which can be taught individually or all in one session. The content of the first session focuses on what a new leader must know; the second session on what a leader must be, and the third session on what a leader must do. Completing all three modules qualifies the Scout to wear the "Trained" patch under his badge of office. The new syllabus contains leadership position cards that define each position in the troop. Completion of TLT prepares the youth to attend National Youth Leadership Training.

[Chief J]

Thanks for the information, I will have to order this to update my library.

Chief J

[joat]

I bought the new Troop Leadership Training syllabus at the Scout shop. The training consists of 3 modules: Introduction to Leadership, How to Do Your Job, and What is Expected of Me?

The old syllabus included team-building exercises, video segments, specific activities, and thoroughly covered all the material that needed to be presented and discussed.

The new syllabus includes none of the old material. There is not much material there at all about HOW to conduct this training. For example, the agenda for module 2 simply tells the SM and SPL to share their visions of success and to align them. I don't have a clue as to what that means.

The next segment is about teaching EDGE. There are 4 sentences about EDGE. That's it.

The next segment says "Be sure to use the 'Start, Stop, Continue' assessment tool". What is that?

Maybe I'm dumb, but I need a whole lot more guidance about this training before I can present it to the troop. Any ideas about where to learn more, or how to do this training?

[fgilpin]

I've given the old JLT 4 times in the past, and the boys really seemed to learn something from it. We are going to give this new traing here soon, and see what the boys think. If it is found wanting, I think we may come up with somthing with a little of both in it.

[Mick Scouter]

Thanks, I guess I need to get them.

[OldGreyBear]

Not to be a wet blanet, but isnt JLTC at this point an Anachronism?

I beleive its now NYLT (Naitonal Youth Leadership Training)

Just so we dont confuse too many people

[SM270PAL]

We use the day long (about 6 hours) JLT. Will give it this weekend. We use the video and many team builiding excercises. Over the years I have used what BSA wants but then augment it with other material and a module on how the troop runs. I also have them set goals for the troop as the leader team.

[WVBeaver05]

There is lots of good info in this thread. So let me throw out a related question and see if we can get some more.

Our Troop has not had a formal Troop level JLT for quite some time. We are about to elect youth leaders and I plan to hold a training session. I have the materials for the Troop JLT and am in the process of getting the latest (different) version as well. Additionally, I have assisted with a week long Council JLTC.

Can all you share your thoughts on:

* the minimum number of Scouts needed to be effective
* whether there is an advantage in combining with another local Troop to get a larger number of Scouts
* the pros/cons of using the old -vs- new materials
* your thoughts and/or experiences with the differences between say a 1 day presentation or maybe making it into a weekend campout

Or, any other input that anyone has.

I welcome your input.

YIS

[diamondbackAPL]

in our troop we just did jlt and the way we did it was cool. we started out one night and spent the night and finished it the next day. trhat morning we played a team game for breakast; poker no we each had a paper bagand each one had different stuff in it for breakfast (mine had 9 spoons for nine peepsand 2 things of apple sauce ) and we had to sort through it

[WVBeaver05]

Thanks for the info Shane and/or Adam!

Here is another question for discussion.

* Who is invited to your Troop level JLT?

I have seen some Troops that seem to only invite the Scouts in the Positions of Responsibility, others that allow any 2nd year Scout to attend - or 2nd years who have reached First Class, etc. etc.

[diamondbackAPL]

we do the people that hold positions

[cballman]

in our troop everbody that has a position is expected to be there. but then also everybody else is expected to be there also. we even allow the adults to attend and help out. they are also expected to go through the course also. we try to have our troop JLT at least once a year. we will average about 25- 30 boys and then about 3-10 adults helping and or taking the course. we believe that to be a truly effective leader you need to see what this traing is all about. I personaly went through it twice then was stupid enough to plan and teach it once. now the second time around will be much easier I hope. but IMHO everyboy needs to take it at least twice. the first time to go through it then the second time to become a leader.