Tour Permits

[ThunderingWind]

On what date does the On-Line Tour Permit Process become active for all Councils and Units?

[wagionvigil]

Ed Check your EMAIL

[AquilaNegra2]

#1 son just got a critique back from the Troop Committee regarding his Eagle Project (he had presented it in person, but the committee chair said she needed a few days to look at it at home.) One of the comments was that each troop who had a Scout helping needed a tour permit and an adult from the troop present. My sons have participated in several Eagle projects and none has ever asked for this. Is this overkill, or something that should have been done all along?

Additionally, she is requiring him to add 10% for "scrap". Frankly, if he wastes 10% of his material when most of it comes pre-cut, I'm inclined to let HIM foot the bill.

Do they need a tour permit to drive helpers to the site (about 12 miles)? And, does there need to be an adult from each troop present?

[wagionvigil]

Each council sets their own rules for this type of activity. I would call your service center and ask.

[AquilaNegra2]

Thanks, Wagion.

[evmori]

Ed Check your EMAIL

You talking to me?

[smtroop168]

Ed Check your EMAIL

You talking to me?

I think he meant me.

Our council evidently is going to start TPs on line 5 Jan as well but they haven't published any procedures.

[wagionvigil]

Ed Check your EMAIL

You talking to me?

No TW

[smtroop168]

#1 son just got a critique back from the Troop Committee regarding his Eagle Project (he had presented it in person, but the committee chair said she needed a few days to look at it at home.) One of the comments was that each troop who had a Scout helping needed a tour permit and an adult from the troop present. My sons have participated in several Eagle projects and none has ever asked for this. Is this overkill, or something that should have been done all along?

Additionally, she is requiring him to add 10% for "scrap". Frankly, if he wastes 10% of his material when most of it comes pre-cut, I'm inclined to let HIM foot the bill.

Do they need a tour permit to drive helpers to the site (about 12 miles)? And, does there need to be an adult from each troop present?

The only tour permit/2 deep leadership we require is for the overall project. One for each troop w/a scout and an adult present is overkill IMHO. If the site is away from the usual meeting site and he's carpooling, then he needs a tour permit for those cars. If parents drop their boys off and pick them up at the site, they are free to do so and you don't need their vehicle info on the back of the TP.

Scrap? What's he supposed to do with it if he doesn't need it? If he underestimates his supplies, then he'll have to figure out how to deal with it.

[smtroop168]

Ed Check your EMAIL

You talking to me?

No TW

Coulda been me!

[Cowboy]

Aquila: As a former contractor I am answering you: It does not matter if things are preformed or precut. A responsible contractor always adds about 10% for "scrap". Why? A box of screws gets lost or stolen, wood gets lost or stolen. A bottle of glue or stain gets broken or spilled. What about the unanticipated repair that needs to be made before you can proceed with the project? Or did you mean that he should add 10% to his fiscal estimates? Pricing changes constantly, if you are lucky it will drop or go on sale, most likely it will increase. I have seen my material costs go up by over 20% in one week because of weather or other "outside" conditions. Didn't we see gasoline prices increase by over 200% in a matter of months last year? That alone could cause more than a 10% "waste" line item to be eaten up in a day. It sounds like your CC is familiar with projects. Your son is suppose to be showing his planning and leadership abilities. Planning for the unexpected is one of the bigggies in Boy Scouts (Remember: Be Prepared.) One of the reasons that these projects need to be approved by so many people is that "we" have life experience and can help guide the boy even as he is showing us what he has learned. And don't forget: How he accepts the criticism, direction, or suggestions will play into the ultimate determination by these people as to if the project was satisfactory. His best play is to ask why something should be done and then listen and learn from the answer.
As concerns the CC taking a couple of days to look things over: make sure that your son says thank you, and make sure that you show your appreciation. Too many times someone just "rubber stamps" a project and then the Scout finds out that the project does not fit the guidelines, or there are unanticipated things that have to be dealt with. For my money I would rather wait an extra week than rush and get in trouble. Don't believe it:
Scout J rushes to the organisation meeting with his proposal, rushes to the TC meeting with his proposal (both inside of an hour and a half). Detrmines (actually his mother) that a building permit is not required (Check the workbook). In the TCM he is told to check on the Building Permit because he has wrong information. Instead he calls a couple of uncles to do the project on a Saturday afternoon. After it is finished the Building Inspector shows up and is ready to issue a fine. Fortunately for Scout J another Building Inspector (the one from the TC who told Scout J to do the project right to begin with) steps in and saves the Troop the cost of the fine.