Committee Job Describtion

[wagionvigil]

I have never heard of a "man" owning a church. Most churches have a Board that directs activities and programs in the Church. I will use my church for instance. there are trustees that over see the property and the facilities, the Board that sets budget etc and works with the council on ministeriesthat does the program. There is no one person that is over all.

[Scouting179]

It's true that the chartered organization acutally owns the troop gear. If the troop ever folded, the CO would legally be entitled to the gear.

On the progam side of the unit, the SM is in charge. On the Committee side, the Comm. Chair (CC) is in charge. The committee's job is to support the program.

As for who is "in charge" of whom, the SM actually works for the CC. The CC can hire and fire the SM.

I've seen few chartered reps who take an active part in the troop. Their job is to be the liaison between the troop and chartering unit (handling thinks like where the troop meets, etc).

[commish3]

Personally as a scout leader I am uncomfortable with the phrase that the scoutmaster is "in charge" of the program. To say that the scoutmaster is responsible for the program, is far more accurate and more pleasing to the ear.

The SM does not choose or approve the other leaders or junior leaders (ther than the JASM)so I wold be careful not to say that they are "in charge".

The SM has no authority over budget or expenditures, and could not operate a successful program without other dedicated volunteers, so again "in charge" seems to feflect a power base that simply does not exist in an effective scouting program.

[West]

I've seen few chartered reps who take an active part in the troop. Their job is to be the liaison between the troop and chartering unit (handling thinks like where the troop meets, etc).

You miss the part where the CR can hire and fire leaders. In fact it's important that they do so if the program is not being run in a way that reflects positivly on the CO.

[BM_Crawford]

I don't know but I strongly believe that he does own the church. That is just what I've gatherd. It's a small church. He's not the reverend or anything he just runs it. There are people who run the activities but I believe he actually does own it. I know it sounds weird and not correct but I think it might be.

[West]

Well, Mel Gibson owns a church, so this guy might too I suppose.

[commish3]

BM,
If he is not the Pastor and merely owns the building he is neither the Institutiuional Head or the CR, unless the IH designates him the CR, he is simply a landlord, which as far as I know is not a recognized authority in the BSA program.

The fact that he controls the property does not give him any recognized status in the unit or any authority in the church's scouting program.

[BM_Crawford]

Hmm, you may be right I'll look into it.

[wagionvigil]

If the church is a main stream religion like Metodist,Catholic,Lutheran etc. he does not own the church.

[BM_Crawford]

He does own the church I am positive of that.

[Guneukitschik]

chartered organization The Boy Scouts of America local council grants an annual charter to community organizations—businesses, industries, labor unions, schools, churches, and other organizations—to operate Venturing crews. These organizations must have purposes compatible with the Boy Scouts of America and be capable of providing adequate adult leadership, program resources, and meeting facilities. The adult Venturing crew leaders must be approved by the chartered organization, be registered with the BSA, and provide sound and moral leadership and the support necessary to provide a successful and wholesome program for young adults.

chartered organization representative An adult appointed by the head of a chartered organization to coordinate Scouting units within the organization and to represent the organization as a voting member of the BSA local council. The person appointed must be 21 years of age or older and a U.S. citizen, of good character, accept the BSA Declaration of Religious Principle, and be approved by the local council. The chartered organization representative may serve concurrently as troop/crew committee chair or member.

[Lynda J]

THere are certainly churches that are owned by people. Especially when you get out of the main stream. There was one here in Tx. lately that sold the building, closed out all the bank accounts and abducted a child.

So yes there are people that own churches and many for all the wrong reasons.

[BM_Crawford]

Well the person who owns this church is a very good man. He's owned it for a long time and was my father's Scoutmaster at that same church lol. Funney how things turn out...

[commish3]

In any case "owner" is not a position on a unit charter. Is this person listed on the charter, and if so in what position?

[BM_Crawford]

The way things were in the past it seemed as if he was the chartered organization. He holds the papers and seems to have authority to do with them as he pleases.

[commish3]

Hi Brian,
I apologize I obviously have not explained this very well. Please allow me one more attempt.

A person cannot be listed as a charter organization, only a business or organization can be a CO. You said he was not the pastor of the church so that would eliminate him as the Institutional Head (IH). For this person to hold any other registered position he would have to be appointed by the IH or by the Charter Organization Representative.

Do you know for a fact what position, if any, the official annual BSA Charter has this person listed as? Have you contacted your council office and asked? Would you be willing to do that?

Owning the property does not give him any authority in the unit. The bank owns my home but they do not have any authority in my family.

[BM_Crawford]

I think I understand what you are saying, its a bit of a confusing situation lol. Maybe he is the institutional head. It's kind of confusing for a church I know hehe. It's a small church not a very big one but it's got some really nice activities and gives the troop alot of freedoms

[wagionvigil]

Brian Email me the name of the Church
Jerry