2010 National BSA Jamboree and Venturing

[wagionvigil]

I am interested in finding out what you all feel about the Venturing and the Jamboree.I propose each Area withinn a region could send 1 super Crew made up of Crews from their area IE NER has 6 areas so they would be allowed 6 super crews to attaend as participants

[hops_scout]

I am in favor of it with minor reservation....

Is space an issue? I would assume you wish to add on rather than replace, correct? You aren't proposing that the # of troops is cut down in favor of adding crews?

Along the same lines, is the addition of crews going create problems with events? We were already busy on the tower as you know and there were other places that were pretty busy too. Are we going to need to add another Action Center?

Like I said, I'm in favor of opening it up to Crews but there are some issues that have to be squared away first.

[wagionvigil]

I would like to see some Venturing specific areas .
Maybe a Climbing Wall just for Ventures
A Pistol Range just for Ventures.

[riverwalk]

I voted yes, because I never thought of any BSA component, not being involved. I just hope I can figure out the Staff approach this time.

[wagionvigil]

Riverwalk Action center staff is where the fun is. You relaly get to interact wioth the scouts. Although sometimes not in a Positive manner

[Chief J]

I voted yes! Don't see why they should be excluded from the fun.

See You at the Hill,
Chief J

[wagionvigil]

We did have some fun inSub 4 especially the Pool right Chief J?

[hops_scout]

The pool was cool Wagion! I didn't get anywhere near it, but to say that we had one was cool.

[international]

I would like to see some Venturing specific areas .
Maybe a Climbing Wall just for Ventures
A Pistol Range just for Ventures.

Why the specifc areas just for venturers? Arent boy scouts and venturers all SCOUTS?

I voted YES of course

[wagionvigil]

I never said for Venture Crews only but the Pistol shooting would be because only Crews can take part in pistol shooting.

[Chief J]

The 2005 Jamboree was a blast. The pool in subcamp 4 was AWESOME!!

I am looking forward to the 2010 Jamboree. Should be an unbelievable experience. I hope National gets with the program and opens it up to venture crews as well.

See You at the Hill,
Chief J

[jr56]

Sounds like a great idea to open the jamboree up to crews.

[9009scoutmaster]

I have to say NO for the following reasons.

This is the National Boy Scout Jamboree

National Jamboree is not for cub scouts, Ventures , or Explorers. That is why it is named The National Boy Scout Jamboree.

Also, Ventures are considered youth until 21, Troops it is 18.

Jamboree units are set up under with the troop/patrol method. Do Venturing crew use this method.

National Jamboree was set up for Troops, If a venture is cross regestered with at troop fine they can go to the National Jamboree.

Ventures need to sell National on a "National Ventureing Jamboree"

[international]

I have to say NO (...)

I have been reading all the old posts Little by little ,as time allows me, and what surprises me the most especially because ,YES, I am an outsider, ( I've experience scouting in a different Country) is the Venturer or Venturing controversial.

I read posts where some of you asked why do they, the venturers want to belong to BSA, and other comments making clear that Venturing is not welcome or understood , or accepted, and/or all of the above.

I know that sometimes a writing comment can ''sound" condescending, or rude, but BELIEVE me, I am not trying to be neither. What I want is to learn more about the BSA, My oldest kid has been in the program for over 8 years, but I only started to get involved 3 years ago, when I realized that the B in BSA stands for NO GIRLS ALLOWED

Anyway back to the point.

I have been reading a lot of Scouting information specially about the World Scout Conference,where they discuss the best way to keep scouting alive and true to the ideals of the Founder and from what I understood, Venturing was created by the BSA, (so its not like they want to belong ,) THEY DO BELONG.

Another thing that I understood about Venturing was that it was created to introduce coed to BSA without drooping the B, or ruffling a lot of (traditional)feathers.That's why it does not matter if the Venturers go climbing walls, or go to the theater, as long as the co-ed element exists.

A lot of people say "well girl scouts will never allow boys...." The difference is that the G.S. aren't members of the WOSM so when the WOSM decides that scouting should ,at least try ,to be co-ed in every Country,the GS don't have to follow it, but the BSA does, because YES, the BSA is a member and bound to certain rules and regulations

Also, I read on the boards that Venturers are more relaxed as far as advancements goes?
That's the way scouting is done in Europe. A European scout can earn advancements like the ones the BSA has, but the emphasis is more on service to others. Almost every camping trip is tied with a community service to the town or a group of people, and scouts are also very visible (but I am off the subject again)

My point is ;maybe BSA is trying to be more universal and at the same time, attract kids that would/could never join the BSA before.

Now if you look at the Venturers the way I see them, do you guys really think it matter if they are organized differently, or if they are older, or if they are girls and boys together?, or if they are not BSA? They are Scouts.American Scouts and part of the BSA

Every 4 years the organizers of the World Scout Jamboree , (and lets not forget that the USA had a WSJ, so they know how to do it) unites Scouts of all Nations and sexes, and the BSA can't accommodate equally the Venturers and Boy Scots for a National event?

I just can't find any excuse good enough for the Venturers to be excluded from the National Jamboree (I know they can still go) , and, I am sure its difficult for the kids that attended the World Jamboree where unity, brotherhood,and tolerance was the word of the day, to realize that those values will be absent at the National .

OK, I am done ranting.

Sorry if I offended anybody

[wagionvigil]

Thankyou very Much you have made my day!

[ThunderingWind]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For all the reason already posted.

[wagionvigil]

This has been dead for awhile until today. Thanks TW. ANyway. These same Ventures that you do not want to attend it is OK for them to fork up the Money to staff the Jamboree? Most issues with Venturing are the Following.
They are youth until 21 SO is the OA Get over it.
They ARE CO Ed -----Fantastic! Girls are easier to work with than boys They do not whine as much and are harder workers so I will have as many as I can get for my staff at the Action center.
The GSUSA do Not ALlow Boys. Ever wonder why the GSUSA do not take part in the Worold Jamboree?
If you cannot support Venturing as Part of the BSA you Need to move on and Find some other organization to get involved in. This is another reason why Venturing needs to be a Mandatory Move. There are too many Troop leaders that see Venturinhg as stealing their Older Boys. They would not loose them if they were providing an exciting program for them.

[Ursus Snorous Roarus]

Interesting points; Speaking for my own troop and most I know of, we don’t have problems keeping our older guys, they are very active before and after receiving their Eagle. Strong OA, strong high adventure, strong summer camp program. Venturing hasn’t been successful at all in our area. In fact I can only think of three in my and surrounding districts that have sustained over the past 3 years. Of those I’m not sure how ‘active’ they are, meeting on a regular basis at least. It may be more than that, but if so they certainly aren’t very visible.

[PaulSWolf]

These same Ventures that you do not want to attend it is OK for them to fork up the Money to staff the Jamboree?

But Venturers that serve on Youth staff pay substantially LESS than contingent members (and less than adult staff, too.

The GSUSA do Not Allow Boys. Ever wonder why the GSUSA do not take part in the World Jamboree?

World Jamborees are run by WOSM. GSUSA is a member of WAGGGS, not WOSM, and is thus ineligible to send members to World Jamborees.

[wagionvigil]

SO Paul Should Ventures be permitted to attend the Jamboree? Othere than Staffing it?