Cave Exploring Elective for Ranger ANSI Helmet requirement

[trailsitter]

Hi Folks,
I'm not sure where to ask this questions so I though I'd start here.
In the requirements for the Caving Elective there is on that says "Find out what the American National Standards Institute requirements are for helmets."
I googled around and didn't find anyting useful. I went to the ANSI web site and found the number "ASTM – 610-832-9585". I emailed them to get more information and the responce I recieved says,

"Good Morning,
Your desired article is still in its development stage and not available on our ANSI eStandards store.
For further information on the publication, feel free to contact the standard developing organization:
ASTM – 610-832-9585
Kind Regards,
Victor Casimir
ANSI Customer Service
American National Standards Institute ( ANSI )
25 West 43rd Street, 4th FL New York , NY 10036
Tel# 212 642 4988 / Fax# 212 398 0023
vcasimir@ansi.org
http://www.ansi.org"

It seems to me that the standard is still under review and when it is finally available it will be at a cost. As standards go this will probably be copywritted so you will not be able to republish or redistribute the standard.

What I have been using up to now are the UIAA and CE standards. There is some good free information on the web about these.
I've also noticed that there are more than a couple climbing helmet manufacturers that don't use an ANSI stardard but do have the CE and/or UIAA.

I'm wondering if there is a way to get the CE and UIAA included on this requirement?

Thanks,

Allen Maddox
Advisor, Dragon Breath Grotto Venturing Crew 9
and
Chair, National Speleological Society Youth Group Liaison Committee

[wagionvigil]

UIAA and CE work Since Caving helmets are the same as climbing helmets

[trailsitter]

I agree that climbing and caving helmets are the same. The requirement is misleading. As of now I can find no ANSI helmet standard. Topping Out talkes about UIAA and CE for climbing helmets and I can find those. Looking on the Petzl web page for helmets they meet the UIAA and CE standards, but no mention of ANSI.

So I would guess when the requirement asked to find out what the ANSI standard is, the answer would be "there is none". OK, a little toung on cheak.

I guess my question is more of who do we talk to to get a requirement changed or improved?