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Postby wbbear » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:49 pm

We have a gentleman who sits on the Eagle BOR for the District who has been advising scouts from our troop on when, how and what to do for their Eagle projects. We have a Life to Eagle Coordinator for our troop, yet this gentleman is continually getting himself involved with our scouts.

I feel that this is a huge conflict of interest as he is doing the advising as well as the approval for the projects.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle this one??? :roll:
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Postby FrankJ » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:42 pm

I would say this is a question of degree.

If the scouter is answering questions when asked, then he is a resource & not a conflict of interest.

If he is actively acting as a life to eagle advisor, he probably shouldn't sit on a scout's BOR that he is an active participant.

The SM is the adult responsible on how the program is delivered to the boys. I would discuss your concerns with him as a first step.

BTW: Our district conducts eagle BOR once a month. At the same time they have a life to eagle seminar that any life scout that wants guidance can go to. The seminar is hosted by district advancement committee & the scout can talk to the same people that conduct BORs & approves eagle projects.

As an aside. No scouter should be telling a scout to do a particular project or a particular way or else. The project belongs to the scout & we are just advisors.
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Postby joat » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:00 pm

I don't see the conflict. How might a board of review unfold differently if a board member had given advice regarding the boy's project?
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Re: Conflict of interest?

Postby Billiken » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:24 am

wbbear wrote:....... when, how and what to do for their Eagle projects.


Conflict?

I'd say yes
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Postby Lynda J » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:37 am

I agree Conflict. Our District Advancement Chair doesn't allow anyone associated with a boys troop to sit on a EBOR.
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Re: Conflict of interest?

Postby joat » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:08 am

wbbear wrote:who has been advising scouts from our troop on when, how and what to do for their Eagle projects.


This is not a "conflict", it's simply wrong. Telling a boy what his project will be and how he will do it is simply butting in and taking over. It is not appropriate for any person to do that whether he sits on the board of review or not.

So, is anyone saying this is OK if he excuses himself from the board of review? Would that relieve the conflict?
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Postby Lynda J » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:14 am

If an adult is a registered member of a boys troop he should not sit on an Eagle Board of Review for any boy in that troop.
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Postby joat » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:20 am

Referring to the Advancement Guide, Eagle boards of review may be conducted at the troop level. Presumably that would include registered adult members.
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Postby Lynda J » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:34 am

This is directly out of our Councils Eagle BOR policy.
EBOR should be set up through the District Advancement Chair. And if the boy didn't get his project approved by the DACommittee he will have a big problem.

Eagle boards of review (BOR) will be conducted in accordance with the National BSA policy as stated in Reference 4. The Longhorn Council Advancement Committee supplements those guidelines with this document.
The Longhorn Council has placed the responsibility for conducting the Eagle Scout board of review with the District Advancement Committee. The District Advancement Chairman will designate the board chairman and may serve on the board anytime, at his/her discretion. The board will be made up of from three to six members. The board chairman has final authority on who serves on an Eagle BOR, which may include one or more representatives from the candidate's unit. The Scoutmaster, Assistant Scoutmaster, or any relative of the Scout may not serve as members of the board. The Scoutmaster may sit in as a non-participating visitor, but under no circumstances will a relative be present (Ref. 4). All members of the board do not have to be registered Scouters, but "must have an understanding of the importance and purpose of the Eagle board of review."

The Eagle BOR should be planned to take approximately 30 minutes. The BOR is not a retest of the Scout's knowledge or skills, but rather an opportunity to get to know the candidate, assess his personality and character, review his Scouting career, and conduct the final review of his project report.

One important duty of the District Advancement Committee is to secure definite, concrete, satisfactory evidence that the Eagle candidate has lived up to the ideals of Scouting. This evidence should come from those who know the candidate personally, as well as from the candidate himself. The Scout provides references on his Eagle application and the BOR chairman should obtain input from them. The District Advancement Committees may determine the best procedure for obtaining input from the candidate's references. They may request letters, make personal contact, or telephone the individuals. If the district chooses to request letters of recommendation, it is the district's responsibility, and not the Scouts, to request them from the references. While the reference's letters should never be given to the candidate, what they say about the Scout may be discussed with him during the BOR. The information provided by the references must be considered along with the opinion of the board members in assessing the Scout's final selection for the Eagle rank. At the discretion of the BOR chairman, it is not necessary to receive input from all references before conducing the Eagle BOR. A negative reference is not, in itself, a disqualifier.

The Eagle BOR may be conducted after the Scout's 18th birthday. It may be conducted within three months of the birthday without any explanation. A letter from an adult knowledgeable of the circumstances (troop or district) will be attached to the Eagle application explaining the delay for BORs held between three and six months. A letter from the Council Advancement Committee is required for boards held after six months.
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Postby jr56 » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:41 am

If the gentleman in question is just giving advice to the boys based on his experience as a Eagle BOR member, then he is being a valuable resource, no conflict of interest.
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Conflict of interest?

Postby wbbear » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:48 am

Thank you all for the great advise! :D I plan on sharing it with the SM to see where we go next.

The gentleman in question is not affliated with our troop in any way, he is a SM with his own troop and is very involved in District and Council. I would not have a problem with him giving advice, I am all for helping the scouts, but when he tells the scouts what, how and when, he takes away the entire process of obtaining the rank of Eagle. :(
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Postby scoutaholic » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:56 am

Lynda J wrote:If an adult is a registered member of a boys troop he should not sit on an Eagle Board of Review for any boy in that troop.


Not according to any EBOR guidelines in our area. The EBOR is primarily made up of people from the troop. A member of the district advancement committee sits on the board, but the rest are from the troop.

The BSA guidelines do not require that the board members all be registered, but they often are. As I understand it, there must be a representative from the council/district, but the board does not have to be entirely from the council/district. The EBOR should not include the SM/Coach/Advisor/Skipper nor Family members of the candidate. As SM, I have been on the board for boys who used to be in my troop, but have since moved into the team or crew.
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Postby Lynda J » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:00 pm

Our Council does not allow EBOR to be held within the troop. I have been sitting on EBOR for about 6 years now and have never seen an adult from a boys troop sit on his board. OUR AC uses a lot of our District Committee plus members of our community. I know that on one boys the mayor of his community sat on the BOR.

Also if a boy has a certain person that he would like to sit on his BOR he can request that person. They can't be associated with his troop though.

Maybe different Councils have different rules. I just know what ours are and it seems to be working well.
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Postby wagionvigil » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:15 pm

Our council allows the boy choose his BOR members for Eagle except for the Eagle Advancement Chairman for the District.
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Postby smtroop168 » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:22 pm

Hey wagionvigil...how many choose you? I would. :D

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Postby wagionvigil » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:24 pm

I do about 6 a year
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