eagle project

[Mrw]

The boy who brought this up is SPL for his troop right now and so really should have some idea of what rank the boys are currently. And the fact that he took them aside and privately asked if things had been done according to the book speaks volumes for his level of maturity.

The question of will it fly is valid, as unearned Eagle ranks reflect poorly on us all.

[hacimsaalk]

My issue is that advancement iof a scout s not the business of another scout but the scout himself and the scouters. The scout that brought up this issue most likely does not have all the facts which a scouter would have.

142- just b/c i really dont feel like arguing, i will say this- i got all my facts. i talked to an ASM about the boys (and their ranks). I talked to another ASM about the status of the project. I researched the requirements for the eagle scout project (just to make sure), i even talked to the boys (privately) to see what they could tell me. then, we (all 3 of us) had a chat with the SM. sounds good enough for you?????

i agree that the SM has a hand (in signing and all). he didnt sign it though, thats the problem. they went on the organization rep's sig and their own sig. that was it!

[ASM-142]

Ok - you as being the SPL have all the facts on this. Based on your facts

The SM did not sign off on this.

The scouts did not satisfy the requirements since they did an Eagle project that was not approved.

The scouts did not satisfy the requirements since they did an Eagle project before they were life scouts

If the district/council does not agree with your facts and approves this then it is a valid eagle project. If the facts above are correct then this should not happen but IMHO that is the decision for scouters and not a fellow scout. As a fellow scout you can explain to them the proper procedures, the scout law, and the scout oath, and that the path they are taking is not correct but the bottom line it is the individual scouts responsibility to do things correct and the scouters to approve this not a fellow scout.

[hacimsaalk]

If the district/council does not agree with your facts and approves this then it is a valid eagle project. If the facts above are correct then this should not happen but IMHO that is the decision for scouters and not a fellow scout. As a fellow scout you can explain to them the proper procedures, the scout law, and the scout oath, and that the path they are taking is not correct but the bottom line it is the individual scouts responsibility to do things correct and the scouters to approve this not a fellow scout.

well, i understnad what you mean, but i feel it is my duty to report it to the proper people. now that i know of it, im not going to keep it quiet so they can get through it. 'A SCOUT IS TRUSTWORTHY...LOYAL...OBEDIENT' do i need to say more???

[Scouting179]

If the First Class really was doing his own project, it is NOT valid because 1) he is not Life yet and 2) I doubt any district/council adv chair would have approved it if they knew he was not Life. I myself am a district adv chair. In such a case, the project is NOT valid. My guess is someone snowed the person approving it or the guy was just helping the person who was a Life carry out his project.

[Scouting179]

Councils can not override national. National's requirements are clear, the project is not valid and the those involved need to be given a serious talking too.

[Scouting179]

The more I think about this the madder I get. Appears outright fraud was committed by the Scout(s). If I was SM, I'd never sign off their scout spirit or sm conf and if I was on their bor, if they ever get that far, I would not pass them. THey made a major error here.

[Mrw]

The more I think about this the madder I get. Appears outright fraud was committed by the Scout(s). If I was SM, I'd never sign off their scout spirit or sm conf and if I was on their bor, if they ever get that far, I would not pass them. THey made a major error here.

I would give them a chance to redeem themselves if they were intentionally fraudulent, but a scout is trustworthy, and they would need to show they understand that.

Since the project was not Eagle quality in planning or execution or timing, it would not factor into their advancement at all.

[Hubert]

The only thing that concerns me about this is that a scout is bringing this up and not a scouter.

I understand this is rather old but have been away for some time...

Y would this bother you? Sometimes things need to be brought up by a scout, it one: shows they are paying attention. two: that (if he has a leadership posisition) he is doing the job. Just my personal views.

I have a lot of things I see as a scout, some I say some I dont. I sometimes bring my views to leaders, but are critisized for doing so. Every scout has a part in the troop, they need to also have a voice.

[pipestone1991]

The only thing that concerns me about this is that a scout is bringing this up and not a scouter.

I understand this is rather old but have been away for some time...

Y would this bother you? Sometimes things need to be brought up by a scout, it one: shows they are paying attention. two: that (if he has a leadership posisition) he is doing the job. Just my personal views.

I have a lot of things I see as a scout, some I say some I dont. I sometimes bring my views to leaders, but are critisized for doing so. Every scout has a part in the troop, they need to also have a voice.

I agree with ASM......if the adults let this fly it's not cool.