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Postby scubascout » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:26 pm

Can your program advisor be your father, he is also the advancement chair, does it matter.

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Postby scouter01 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:40 pm

I don't know about officialy, but i think its a bad idea. Dad's can't sign stuff off for regular ranks so.....
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Postby smtroop168 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:00 pm

There are no official restrictions for a Dad to sign off Ranks, MBs (if an approved Counselor), Eagle Project Advisor.

There will always be those who think the scout is not meeting the requirements or getting things done easier if Dad signs them off but too bad.

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Postby RWSmith » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:30 pm

Scuba,

Please explain to us what you mean by "Program Advisor"?
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Postby Chief J » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:03 am

I am the Scoutmaster in my Troop, and I just caught #@X% from my Council regarding my sons Eagle Application.

Ever since my son has been involved in scouting as a Tiger Cub, there has always been a different leader sign off in his book when it relates to advancement. In Boy Scouts, an ASM has held the SM Conference with my son and signed off in my sons book. This was true for his SM Conference for Eagle. My Trail to Eagle ASM, held the conference and signed off in his book and also signed his application. (Also signed his project workbook). When I turned everything in to Council, the person verfiying his information said I had to be the one to sign off as I am the unit leader on record. As a result, in order to get them accepted (verified) I had to sign everywhere it said "unit leader's" signature.

So, that being said, I would state that there is no restriction on a parent signing advancement for a scout. My only word of caution would be the "He was shown favoritism" that folks who generally have no clue like to throw around.

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Postby ASM-142 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:49 am

When I was an ASM (I am now the CC) and I had to sign off on anything for my son from rank advancement to a MC, I would always have a second scouter sign off to minimize people saying that I made things easier for him.

I know that this was not required but it did make things easier overall.
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Postby WeeWillie » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:04 pm

There is always a concern regarding conflict of interest when Dad (or Mom) signs advancement. Why cause doubt for what should be your son's highest achievement?

Conflict of interest is a concept that your son will undoubtably face as a adult. Why not teach him now how to avoid the appearance.

I had an ASM sign for me.
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Postby scubascout » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:25 pm

RW Smith, the progrm advisor is one whocan be called your mentor. (usually other than you scoutmaster. They can help you plan, carry out, finalize your project, and answer any of your questions.

Thank you everybody for your opinions
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Postby ASM-142 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:57 pm

scubascout wrote:RW Smith, the progrm advisor is one whocan be called your mentor. (usually other than you scoutmaster. They can help you plan, carry out, finalize your project, and answer any of your questions.

Thank you everybody for your opinions
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The mentor can advise a scout but should not plan the project
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Re: Program Advisors

Postby RWSmith » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:25 pm

Can your program advisor [mentor] be your father, [YES; plain and simple.] he is also the advancement chair, does it matter. [NO.]
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Postby Mrw » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:21 pm

I certainly oversaw and advised on the planning of both my sons' projects while I was troop advancement chair.

I tried very hard to limit myself to asked for advice, but did plenty of chasing after them to make the needed phone calls to get things started and to keep up with the paperwork as they went along.
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Postby scubascout » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:39 pm

thank you
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Postby Hubert » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:25 am

Im in sort of the same boat.

When I go for my Eagle Board, it is going to be a little hard, I know we can get the people, but my step father, the commettie chair cant be on it, my mother, the advancement chair and commettie member, cant either.

I know we have enough (barely) but I am sure my troop will pull through.
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Postby wagionvigil » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:48 am

Actually Hubert you can have anyone you want on the EBOR except those you mentioned. They DO NOT have to be involved in scouting. It can be a teacher that helped you a coach SOmeone from scout camp like the camp director or program director. A leader from another troop you know.
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Postby Hubert » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:23 am

Wow, thanks! I thought they had to be registered in scouting in order for them to be on a board.
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Postby pipestone1991 » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:15 pm

Hubert wrote:Wow, thanks! I thought they had to be registered in scouting in order for them to be on a board.


You might want to contact your council, in mine I had a board of 4 adults not from my troop (my SM was there but didn't say anything/was not part of the BOR)
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Postby Fibonacci » Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:43 pm

General Eagle Board of Review information:
The Board of Review for an Eagle candidate is composed of at least three but not more than six members. These members do not have to be registered in Scouting, but they must have an understanding of the importance and purpose of the Eagle Board of Review. One member serves as Chairman. Unit leaders, assistant unit leaders, relatives or guardians may not serve as members of a Scout's Board of Review. At least one District advancement representative must be a member of the Eagle Board of Review if the review is conducted at a unit level. A Scout may request a District Board of Review which will consist of members of the District Advancement Committee and/or District members who have an understanding of the importance of the Eagle Board of Review. In no case should a relative or guardian of the candidate attend the review, either as a participant or observer. The contents of the Board of Review are confidential and the proceedings are not to be disclosed to any person who is not a member of the Board of Review.
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