New First Class Requirement

[Lynda J]

Yes they allow PTA/PTO to recruite. But they are affiliated with the school district. They allow no other group to recruite on school property. We are blessed in our school district, we have a very good relationship with them and are almost given an open door policy. And if I bring fliers I can put them in the teachers boxes in the office. If I bring my own paper they even let me make copies of them at the school. Of course I also volunteer at the school so that might make a difference. Had one teacher ask me which kid was mine one time because there were about 5 hanging on me. Funny thing was none of them were Kevin. I told her that all of them were because I had them in scouts and had had most of them since 1st grade. She just shook her head and laughed.

[ASM-142]

By allowing the PTA/PTO to recruite they can not stop other groups from recruiting. PTA/PTO's are public groups and not an official school activity. Interpretation of the NCLB act can force schools to allow all recruiting or stop all recruiting (including PTA/PTOs)

[DadScout]

By allowing the PTA/PTO to recruite they can not stop other groups from recruiting. PTA/PTO's are public groups and not an official school activity. Interpretation of the NCLB act can force schools to allow all recruiting or stop all recruiting (including PTA/PTOs)

I think I'm missing something on this. Why would the No Child Left Behind Act have anything to do with the Parent Teacher Assoc recruiting in the school. I would think the PTA is directly a school activity and not a public group since you'd have to be a parent with a kid in that school to be in it.
If you could enlighten me I'd appreciate it. The whole burocracy in the schools befuddles me at times.

One thing I heard (rumor) in my local school dist was that the BSA was not allowed to recruit because of either a) one of the many ACLU issues or b) the fact that it was boys only. Again, that was a rumor, and it could have been as simple as YES to flyers but NO to presentation because it was distruptive. I've double checked and was told that this year our Council got the OK for flyers in my schoold dist.

Regarding the FC requirment it's not very verifiable. "Invite" "Tell Someone" "Encourage".... It does nothing to "test the candiates persuasive communication skills" if that's what the stated intention really is. I guess we'll have to see how the final requirement is written along with the supporting entries in the handbook.

[ASM-142]

PTO/PTA are not school groups and in fact anyone can join not just parents. The NCLB act has a clause about equal access to school facilities by organizations. Being that boy the scouts and the PRO/PFA are organizations they are entitled to equal access.

[wagionvigil]

WE have access to most schools in our Council we also have boy talks in the Elementary schools.It is not a problem.

[JazerNorth]

Most of the time we get confused on who can and can't do things at schools. A child can ask another child to come to scouts at school. This is the same as if one child asked another to come to a party. Adults must follow the rules, or get them changed. Therefore, if the rule says no recruiting at school, it most likely applies to the adults, and not the children. I am betting that if a child asks, the school will do nothing about it, because it is OK.

I still am not sure about the 1st class requirement (original posting of the board), but I did learn that Cub Scouts do require to bring a friend to scouts as one of their requirements. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Which ever it is, I am sure the Boy Scouts will follow along.

Enjoy.

JazerNorth

[evmori]

I still am not sure about the 1st class requirement (original posting of the board), but I did learn that Cub Scouts do require to bring a friend to scouts as one of their requirements. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Which ever it is, I am sure the Boy Scouts will follow along.

The only thing in the Cub rank requirements I could find that is similar is #24 for Bear

# BE A LEADER (Page 174)
Do requirement f and two other requirements.

1. Help a boy join Cub Scouting, or help a new Cub Scout through the Bobcat trail.

And this isn't required. It could be used as one of the two other requirements.

[Lynda J]

Interesting ASM 142 Thanks. THis does give us a tool to use. We were told that because the PTA/PTO groups were affiliated with the school that they were allowed in but no one else was. So if they are allowed then the school has to allow any group.

I am just thankful that our unit does not have this problem. The school actually give us service projects we can help with.

[wagionvigil]

Remember the Scout only has until June of 06 to Finish 1st class under the Old requirements

[deweylure]

This months Scouter Magazine has the article in RE to the new 1st class requirement.

Deweylure

[Lynda J]

I have a question regarding this requirement. If a boy is invited to join a troop on an outing, such as a field trip or camping trip, he is not registered as a scout at that time. If this boy gets injured who is covering him for that injury. We keep being told that they are covered on BSA insurance if they are not registered. So how is BSA going to make sure that a boy invited as part of this requirement has coverage if injured.

[wagionvigil]

The BSA Insurance covers a prospective scout on one outing. AS long as a Tour permit is filed and approved.

[West]

This is definitly weird, they need to change first class to make it a bit challenging but adding promotion requirements? Thats not like the BSA.

It's been part of seascouts for awhile now. It really helped grow our ship when I lived in da UP. If you think about it, it really makes sense. By the time a kid gets to first class, he is hopefully in for the long haul. For that to be a reality he need to be comfortable talking to his friends about scouts. It's only logical really. If you like something, share it with your peers. But that can also be challangeing for many kids so it gives them an opertunity to step outside what they are comfortable with and grow. If, in the end, the BSA grows a little bit too- What's the harm?

I must say I'm pretty impressed with this addition.

[commish3]

The BSA Insurance covers a prospective scout on one outing. AS long as a Tour permit is filed and approved

A common misconception.

The visiting boy is protected by the BSA accident insurance as long as he is eligible to be a member or will soon be eligible as with a Webelos scout.

The tour permit is not tied to accident insurance in anyway, it is tied to the adult leaders liability umbrella.

The BSA will ALWAYS cover the medical costs of an eligible youth who is injured in the course of his scouting activity if no primary coverage exists, or if the primary coverage is exceeded.

[Troop160]

“Tell someone who is eligible to join Boy Scouts, or an inactive Boy Scout, about your troop’s activities. Invite him to a troop outing, activity, service project, or meeting. Tell him how to join, or encourage the inactive Boy Scout to become active.”

Do not invite them any troop activity, service project, outing, camping, etc except meeting.

Who is going to pay for injury for invite boy?

National Council is cazy. BSA are looking for money, not care about boy. Just the money. Sorry.

[Lynda J]

To a point I agree with T160. One of my boys was hurt at Cub Summer Camp. His mother was also there. It took her over 6 months to get the claim paid. The ER they took him to actually turned her over to a collection agency.

[West]

But it's not BSA national that pays it. It's the insurance company (which I think is a council level thing anyway). Who's ever had an insurance comapny jumpind up and down to pay?