Leader/Venture Knot For Girl Scout Gold Award??????

[wagionvigil]

Wow I can actually get back to the real stuff. ANyway. If the BSA recognizes the award and makes a square knot for it then it will be allowed. Until then don't wear it.

[Billiken]

If the BSA recognizes the award and makes a square knot for it then it will be allowed. Until then don't wear it.

IF some sort of award is created it won't be a knot, that's BSA.

Gold Award is copyrighted by GSUSA which means any BSA recognition of the award would require GSUSA approval.

Lots of great posts on this topic/idea. Thanks.

My daughter is in the 4th grade and loves Girl Scouts.
Need to look through her handbook real soon.

[wagionvigil]

My daughter NoW 22 was a Girla Scout from K-12 and was a Venture Crew member from 14-21 Now she is a MB Counselor for Forestry,Geology and Climbing. While in High SChool she was a Counselor at Webelos Camp. 2 weeks each summer. NO PAY! volunteered to do it. She got both Gold and Silver award.

[Billiken]

My daughter, now 22, was a Girla Scout from K-12 and was a Venture Crew member from 14-21 Now she is a MB Counselor for Forestry,Geology and Climbing. While in High School she was a Counselor at Webelos Camp. 2 weeks each summer. NO PAY! volunteered to do it. She got both Gold and Silver award.

Hope my daughter's teenage years are as impressive as your daughter's.

[wagionvigil]

She Graduates Sunday with a History Degree from West Virginia Weselyan College.

[Billiken]

She Graduates Sunday with a History Degree from West Virginia Weselyan College.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Are you going to send the school a check again this fall, for old-times sake?

[wagionvigil]

No that is now her Job, I support My Alma Mater West Virginia University

[Woodbadgegirl]

My daughter NoW 22 was a Girla Scout from K-12 and was a Venture Crew member from 14-21 Now she is a MB Counselor for Forestry,Geology and Climbing. While in High SChool she was a Counselor at Webelos Camp. 2 weeks each summer. NO PAY! volunteered to do it. She got both Gold and Silver award.

Awesome! I wish I could find something for my daughter now. I know she is going to be Venture material, she is a camping gal and loves to be outside!

[RWSmith]

Congrats, Wagion!

[Eamonn]

I don't have a daughter.
I do understand why we don't have non-BSA awards on the BSA uniform (I don't wear my Queens Scout Award)
I do think it is a nice idea.
Wagionvigil congrats to your daughter. Now you have all this new found wealth and the Council is starting a capital campaign, hoping to raise a little over four million, I will tell our SE to expect a really big check from you. Some of us poor people still have to educate our kids and we are counting on you to take up the slack.
(Just joking) Have a great day Sunday.

[Troop_Dad]

One thing to remember is that the Girl Scout Bronze, Silver and Gold
Awards are pins and that they are no bigger that a your thumb nail.

An easy and "legal" solution that will comply with BSA and GSUSA
uniform guidelines is for Female Venturer to wear either the
unoffical Bronze, Silver, or Gold Award Emblem patch in lieu of the
offical Girl Scout Bronze, Silver, and Gold Award Pin on the Right
pocket of the Venturing uniform. GSUSA created Bronze, Silver, or
Gold Award Emblem for unoffical wear and are not to be worn on front
of the GSUSA vest or sash.

These are 3" round patches that state "Girl Scout Gold Award" and a
have copy of the Gold Award in metallic treads.

GSUSA Bronze Award emblem catalog no 09909 cost $1.80
GSUSA Silver Award emblem catalog no 09912 cost $1.80
GSUSA Gold Award emblem catalog no 09913 cost $1.80

Also GSUSA also create necklace Pendants for each award.
Nothing says that a Female Venturer can't wear a Girl Scout Gold
Award necklace under the collar of Venturing uniform in the same
manner as a Silver Beaver Award.

[TCC7]

Somewhere early in this post I read that the Gold award was an equivalent award for Eagle. I think is was OldGreyBear. Well, first off, there is not an equivalent award for Eagle in the GSUSA. I say this because to receive Eagle, a scout has to earn every rank up to Eagle. In GSUSA, this is not the case. A girl can enter GSUSA in her senior year of high school and still receive the Gold Award. I don't see how anyone can compare the two. The mistake a lot of people make is just comparing the service projects and not all that is required to get to that point.

[riverwalk]

Perhaps what the bear meant, was that it represented the highest recognition in their program, and in that way is a similar significance?? That's for each to consider I suppose. Hey, methinks it could also be said of the WoHeLo award in CampFireUSA. Qualified boys and girls then hold the highest in that Organization.

I'm sure it goes without saying, everyone in here places a special value on the Trail to Eagle.

[OldGreyBear]

hey TCC7, I suggest you reread my post, I think this is the section you misunderstood:

"... I would not be in favor of a Gold Award knot for the boy scout uniform, unless of course there is a girl Scout equivelent for the Eagle rank on a Girl scout uniform"

What my statement says to me is that unless the Girl Scouts have a way of recognizing an Eagle Scout on their uniforms (obviously this would be on an adult male leader) then the BSA shoudn't have a Gold award knot for a BSA uniform.

Other than use of the word equivelent, I am not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that I thought/said/implied the Gold Award was equal to Eagle, The Boy Scout and Girl Scout programs are both unique and comparisons between the two is not possible.

In the future before you slam somebody, please check your facts

[TCC7]

Well, first let me apologize to you OldGreyBear. You obviously took what I said as a slam. That was not my intention. Looking back at your post, I can see where the word "equivalent" could refer to the action by each organization and not to the award. I too agree with you that it should not be permitted on the BSA uniform and that the two organizations and awards are unique unto themselves. Apples and Oranges. What I think you considered a slam to you was meant to convey that message to those who keep comparing the two awards. This is in no way a belittlement of the GSUSA Gold Award. Every girl in GSUSA should be encouraged to strive for the highest award and that goes for anyone in any organization. I assume the Bear in your name refers to your Gilwell clan. If so, count me as a brother. Kodiak Bear SR389. Top of the food chain! By the way, did you use this name in another discussion forum?

[Lynda J]

You could nominate this woman for a District Award of Merit. She had given not only to Boy Scouting but to other community services.

Having been a Girl Scout most of my life I would love to be able to see Gold Award gals honored.

When I was in GS in the 50's-60's we did so much with the Boy Scouts in our community. It seemed like every community activity was a joint venture. It is sad that over the years there has become so much of a separation between the two. Almost as if we are competing. Our goals are the same. Guide young adults to become good leaders and citizens

[OldGreyBear]

TCC7

I am known by many names, as in "... her name was McGill, she called herself Lil, but everyone knew her as Nancy"

Anyway, in the words of Popeye T. Sailorman

" I yam who I yam and that's all that I yam"

[West]

My 7 year old sister is in a browine troop that I pushed to get started at our chuch this fall (we actually ended up needing 2 troops, why they can't just have dens I have no idea). 80% of the girls involed are children of members of our church and some other the others go to other churches. Most are pretty disapointed with the current policy of the National Girl Scouts. But lucky for us (th church) it's our program. The thinking of the current leaders and most of the other parents is that as soon as the girls turn 14 they will switch over to the Venture Crew that I also got started this year (being scouting cordanator is a lot of work, but a great way to serve your church). Currently the church has no plans to offer GS for past the age of 14 and won't as long as I have any influance over it. (due to facts that have already been brought up). We'd really like to stop at Juniors, but the problem is that they are left with no program between 11 and 14.

For now our brownies and cub scouts do a ton of activites together, in large part because there are so many siblings. Until I get a nasty letter from someone who matters I'm going to keep encourageing that.

[Mrw]

What happens when you have a girl who really wants to earn a gold award? Or if the programs change substantially in the next few years? Or if the Venturing crew doesn't make it?

I am just suggesting you keep an open mind with this as the thinking and interests of these kids 5 years from now may be very different.

[West]

If the programs changes back to what it should be, great. I'd want to keep them around as long as possible.

If it dosn't, I can't have it as part of the ministry of the church. It's that simple really. My job is to make sure we build a strong scouting program, but also one that is consistant with the goals of the church. We can do the Brownies and Jrs without a problem. I've read those books and don't have anything to take serious issure with. The big girl scouts are a problem though, to the point we might even create our own program for when they turn 11.

If we do offer it for 11-14 year olds, if the ywant to work on their gold award after that they are free to transfer to any unit they want.

As far as the Venture Crew not makeing it, that's not an option. All it takes are a few dedicated adults (which we have) and support from the CO, which we have in abundance. Combined with the rest of our scouting program (50 boy Cub Scout Pack, a scout troop on the mend- doing things right and back up to 15 boys, and the 2 brownie troops) there will be plenty of intrest just from within our own units. It's a beautiful thing really, the other units support the Crew, which then supports the other units with instruction and a goal to motivate the kids to stay in that long.


Keep in mind that if the BSA ever slips to the level the the GSUSA have then they would no longer be part of our ministry either. There are some things that you have to stand up for, painful decision or not.