when is it time to ask a scout to leave the troop

[Lynda J]

Mom and Dad want to hire someone to take over the responsibility of taking care of their out of control son.
Mom and Dad don't have time to go to camp.

Who wants to take bets on this kid acting out to get attention from Mom and Dad?

He may see any attention better than none. Sad for the kid.

[wagionvigil]

So are they going to allow him to join them?

[deweylure]

Here is the up date:

Mom (aka CC ) is going with her son who is the biggest culprit. He is the one leaving to another troop after summer camp.

2nd scout is not going at all. SM,CC and another ASM made the decision this boy can not go at all. this is the one mom and dad wanted to get a chaperone for.

I am really dissappointed on this one. The SM is not going to camp.
Mom aka CC is going with to take care of her son. Another ASM and I are also going. He is a great leader but the scout who is going drives him nuts.

We both asked that both scouts not attend. Why SM listened to CC I do not know.

Unfortunately my son is paid and so am I. We look forward to camp. I am just going to try to deal with it. If her son acts up they better leave.

[deweylure]

I almost forgot . Thanks to everyone for your words of wisdom. this topic has been consuming alot of time. I can hopefully remember this wisdom and use it.

Dewey

[cballman]

Dewey just remember that if this child is that bad then the camp might ask him to leave. and or ask your whole troop to leave so watch out and keep us posted.

[deweylure]

Thanks cballman. The scenario about asking an entire troop to leave never crossed my mind. I will definitely add on what the outcome is.


Deweylure

[WeeWillie]

Has anyone considered the legal impact on the Charter Organization if this Scout really misbehaves and causes a major problem? Lights a fire starting a forest fire, destroys property, runs away and gets lost. The last incident occurred in my Cub Pack years ago. The Cubbie (and known troublemaker) decided he didn't want to follow the rules and took off on his own. When he got lost, his dad, who also didn't like rules took off after him. Cochise County Search & Rescue was called out to find both. Fortunately, they were found about 9 PM.

Oh by the way, it was a week before bridging and the Webelos II Den Leader didn't file a Local Tour Permit. He didn't like rules either.

Contact the Camp and ask for a refund.

[deweylure]

Here is an update.... unfortunately I will not be at camp this year my son was injured last week and can not go either. It will be up to the other leaders and the scouts mom . I will letyou know when they get back.
Earlier this week I had to go to this scouts home ,he was having a tantrum. Hope he does not do it at camp.

Dewey

[FrankJ]

Sorry for your son. I hope the injury was minor.

[deweylure]

Here is the summer camp update .... Scout actually behaved pretty good. Only had an issue that he did not pass a meritbadge and started having a tantrum.. I guess it went ok.


deweylure

[Lynda J]

How is your son doing?

[mhjacobson]

The program has the methods of what to do with a problem scout well documented:

1. Whenever a scout is a problem, the leader who is present should take the scout aside (following YPT, of course) and GUIDE the scout into the proper course of behavior;
2. Failing this being successful, one of the three reasons for a Scoutmaster's conference with a scout is problems with the scour's behavior, and this should be the second step;
3. Failing this being successful (or if the infraction is serious), the SM should hold a conference with the parent of the scout, and should document same; and
4. If the previous 3 steps fail, the SM should take the issue to the Unit Committee -- only the unit committee can take the steps of suspending the scout, or removing the scout from the unit.

The above will ensure that the scout gets his due process, and that the issue is not a problem between the scout and the leader (sometimes happens). The Committee needs to write its decisions regarding suspension or removal to both the parent and the Council.

[mhjacobson]

In some cases scouts with a disability (special need) is assigned a helper or has to have a helper come with him to camp. The 'best practice' procedure is:
a. have the person registered in the appropriate manner (youth/adult)
b. if adult, have the person take YPT
c. have the parent write a detailed description of the helper's responsibilities so that the troop knows what the helper is to do (and also so that a copy can be given to the camp director), and if appropriate under the directions, be prepared to have the helper share a tent with the scout. If not under the directions, the helper should sleep with the appropriate aged group (youth/adult).

[mhjacobson]

Gee I thought that punishment is not the scouting way, especially physically punishing anyone.

In most states the assignment of pushups, standing for lengths of time, etc., is considered a form of corporal punishment and can result in legal action. In most cases, I can imagine some very angry parents when their son comes home and complains.

Calling a scout over and having a talk with him, while the activity contines, about his behavior can be punishment enough when he sees other scouts having a good time while he is talking to you, and he might learn how to not get into trouble at the same time.

[deweylure]

To all who asked about my son he is doing fine. He actually earned 4 MB while he was out.


Dewey

[pipestone1991]

In our troop a kid who is 18 got his Eagle last October just in time. He's graduated with a tech. diploma and working a lot these days but is pretty active as a asnt. sm......he's nice now but it's not always been that way. He used to be a real trouble maker and 2 years ago decided he wanted his Eagle. One Asnt. SM said he didn't deserve. Our SM gave him a choice, shape up or get out. He shaped up and earned it. The asnt sm quit the troop because he said he didn't deserve it. In this case when the scout was told to shape up it worked. But these 2 boys you talk about who got up into ur sons face and tried to punch a disabled kid need to be reported to police for assualt and kicked out of the troop. It's completly unacceptable and in the BSA WILL NOT be tolerated.

[616kayak]

We had a scout who was choking a younger scout at a district event.
The younger scout had been flicking dirt at his tent. I stepped in before the kid was hurt. The offending scout’s father was called and the scout was removed from the campout.

He was kept in the troop, though he had always made ASPL harder for me by disrupting the meetings on a weekly basis. His father had been with the troop for around 20 years, which is probably why he wasn’t removed.

Luckily, this scout moved to another troop when he moved to Maryland.