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Postby evmori » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:45 pm

I agree this is a great accomplishment but I have the same concerns as ICanCanoeCanU posted. Seems there is a lot of "we" and not enough "he".

What was Dallin's motivation to undertake this task?
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Postby maricopasem » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:17 pm

I agree this is a great accomplishment but I have the same concerns as ICanCanoeCanU posted. Seems there is a lot of "we" and not enough "he".

What was Dallin's motivation to undertake this task?


Unbelievable. This young man sets a tremendous goal and then achieves it with the help and encouragement of his family, and the first thing some do is cast aspersions on the accomplishment. I can't believe that I'm watching Scout leaders attack the parent and question the boy's motives.

No wonder BSA numbers are declining.
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Postby ICanCanoeCanU » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:32 pm

It is a tremendous goal and no one is "attacking" but merely questioning. This also wasn't the first thing anyone responded with, in fact most people on this thread see no problem with the accomplishment or the wording used to explain it. Yes, as a scout leader I am questioning - something which is not unusual, by evidence of this entire forum.

No wonder BSA numbers are declining.


You've got to be kidding me? You really tie this into the fact that one person has questioned a scout doing every single badge? I'm surprised more that people wouldn't question this?

I would also like to ask what leadership position with the troop did Dallin hold and did he have trouble balancing all of this?
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Postby evmori » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:15 am

maricopasem wrote:Unbelievable. This young man sets a tremendous goal and then achieves it with the help and encouragement of his family, and the first thing some do is cast aspersions on the accomplishment. I can't believe that I'm watching Scout leaders attack the parent and question the boy's motives.

No wonder BSA numbers are declining.



Yep great accomplishment! No one is casting anything on this accomplishment. Some of us just wonder what would motivate a young boy to do this?

Actually, the decline in BSA membership is more related to kids not wanting to separate themselves from their electronic devices & their parents thinking that's OK than they are to adults questioning motivation of a Scout.
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Postby Mrw » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:31 am

My son originally wanted to do all the merit badges - he ended up with 36 since he decided he just wasn't interested in some and didn't have time for some.

My experience with home schooling (other peoples' kids, not mine) opportunities suggests they are really more open to scheduling activities than a family with 2 jobs and regular school hours. There are community sports leagues, so those activites are easily done.

If they worked the merit badge subjects into his schooling, it gave him an opportunity that many kids don't have to do all the work for all the requirements.

I have seen a number of home schooled kids who are uncomfortable in group situations because they don't have the same social exposures that kids have in regular school. Scouting for the socializing with kids and merit badges where he was dealing with other adults sounds like a great way to overcome that.

The WE in that accomplishment comes from all the scheduling and taxi driving the familiy had to do to get the work done.
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Postby cyn » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:32 pm

So you want to know about Dallin's motivation...

First, Dallin went to public school K-8th grade, so he has great social skills and tons of friends. He decided during the first quarter of 9th grade that he wanted his grandmother to homeschool him. The public school system he was in was lacking, to say the least, and he and I and his grandmother discussed it at length and then removed him from that environment to be homeschooled. A month prior to 9th grade beginning, he was asked to be the Senior Patrol leader in a troop that had been sagging with dismal adult leadership and minimal boy involvement. A dynamic, life-time scouter (who is now a Silver Beaver) was called to be the SM and took a chance on Dallin to be his SPL. This fired him up about scouting and he began learning all he could and working in overdrive to be the best SPL he could be. He felt strongly about setting a good example and began working on MB's, though he didn't have the MB goal at that point.

In late October of that year, he and my mom (his homeschool teacher) were talking about scouting. He said, "I wonder if I could earn all the merit badges?" Neither one of them can recall if he was serious or just joking around. She said, "If you did, it would be a huge accomplishment, and you'd probably get to shake the hand of the President or the Governor...it would be a really big thing." She recalls that he lit up and was surprised that anyone would even notice or recognize him. In subsequent months he remarked to me that if he wasn't going to get a high school diploma (a G.E.D. instead) he WAS going to have something amazing to show for himself, namely earning all the badges. As time went on my mom and I both tried to talk him out of this, explaining that some of them were tremendously difficult and outside of his areas of interest, costly, etc. He remained determined and began to insist that we not continue to deter him, but support him and not try to talk him out of it any longer. HE said, "Is there something wrong with me learning as much as I can about a variety of subjects, even if I don't like them?" To which we stated that there was not anything wrong with this, we just didn't want him to have the pressure of thinking that he was not succeeding if he didn't complete that goal.

Dallin is a determined young man. He is stubborn and driven. He earned the respect of many leaders in our neighborhood, not to mention completely rejuvenating the scouting program in our troop. If our SM told him he wanted all the boys in a certain place at a certain time, Dallin was on it, personally visiting the homes of each boy and talking to their parents as well as the boy to be sure the message was understood clearly. He'd make the rounds and pick up all the guys and get them where they needed to be on time. Our SM has said dozens and dozens of times that, "Dallin is the best scout committee I ever had." Did I mention there was a language barrier? Most of the scouts in our troop were fresh off the boat from Korea, and while they spoke English, their parents didn't. He learned enough Korean to be able to communicate with their parents about scouting. He learned their customs, ate their food, and created bonds of respect with the parents. Most of the Korean boys have now or will soon have their Eagles. I will give the credit to Dallin for this. He has loved those boys and their parents and nurtured them along to get fired up about scouting, make friends, learn skills and be far more than they would have been without the program.

A few days ago Dallin left for his 50 mile backpack hike. This is the last requirement on the last badge. I heard him tell our SM that should he break his leg, he was going to CRAWL to the finish with his backpack on rather than be denied the realization of this goal. He will make it. He will make it or die trying, and this is his wish, his dream, his desire. He'll turn 18 in two weeks, and he'll be able to say that he knows how to set big goals, then break them down and accomplish them, thanks to a fantastic TEAM of people, including his family, his SM, the scout committee who nearly killed themselves finding counselors for all these badges, the scout shops and council who have all been involved in ordering MB books for us, helping us find summer camps and programs where various badges were offered by experts so he could make best use of the resources available. He has honestly earned each badge. No one did any of the requirement work for him.

Lastly, let me say that as most of you know, some badges are beasties and others are a walk in the park. Our council sponsors summer camps where boys can go and earn multiple badges in a week's time. Summer of 2004 Dallin went on 5 seperate week long summer camps. Some of those badges weren't tremendously difficult to earn (though some were). The badges at MB Midway at Jamboree weren't that hard either. These badges are presented by SCOUTERS. If they weren't hard, then it isn't Dallin's fault. Sometimes these camps and Jamboree practically spoon-feed these badges to the boys. Again, not all camps and the MB Midway are like this, but many are.

I haven't been offended. I haven't meant to offend. I appreciate all the time and interest that have been given to this subject and no matter what anyone says or thinks in this forum or anywhere else, we know, and Dallin knows that he earned each and every badge honestly and he can hold his head high knowing that he truly has paid the price for this achievement. Dallin is an honest, God-fearing, religious young man who is simply one of those rare young men who really earned this.

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Postby evmori » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:08 pm

Hmmm. Very interesting post cyn. Asked to be SPL? Thought that was an elected POR. Earning all the MB's is quite a feat! He should be proud.

Why didn't he get his diploma? What are his plans for his future?
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Postby maricopasem » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:33 pm

Asked to be SPL? Thought that was an elected POR.

I'm guessing that he's in an LDS Troop -- the SM was "called." Things run just a little bit differently in the Church.
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Postby cyn » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:47 pm

Yep, he's in an LDS troop. :D

After being homeschooled 2 years, and Dallin could see that he was going to be able to complete the MB goal, he came to my mom and I one day and said he'd been thinking about it and thought he'd like to go back to high school and try to graduate with his class. My mom and I stayed calm, but our minds were a-buzz with the very thought of him trying to do 4 years of high school in two years time. After visiting with his high school counselor, she determined that it was possible, but would be extremely difficult. He'd have to take a full and heavy load of classes at school and then take outside electronic high school classes at home. Feeling more confident than ever before in his life, thanks to the MB goal, (and it's impending completion) he jumped in and worked his tail off. Everyday after school we sat down and went through his 8 high school classes and 10 internet classes, made a plan of what needed to be done and then he dug in. He'd work until late in the evening making slow and steady progress on his internet classes while keeping up with his high school classes. He's worked double time this summer while public school has been out and will have a difficult load during this upcoming senior year, but as long as he sticks to the plan that's been layed out for him, he will graduate with his class.

Everyone says to him, "After the MB and graduating from HS, Dallin, what will you do next?" He smiles and tells them that shortly after he graduates he'll be leaving for a 2 year full-time mission for our church. After what he's done already, that ought to be a piece of cake! I don't know what he wants to do with the rest of his life, but he's been exposed to so many different careers, that perhaps he'll go with some of the ones he's enjoyed the most, such as architecture, graphic design or cinematography. He may end up working in some scouting career. Even if he doesn't, I'm very sure he has many more years of scouting ahead of him in some leadership form or other. He's already been asked to be an ASM for the 2010 National Jamboree to go with his SM who will be a SM for a provisional troop from the Great Salt Lake Council.

I can't express my gratitude enough to his SM, Wayne Donaldson, who took a chance on asking Dallin to be SPL. I really think it was the thing that made the difference for him. Without a father in the home, the influence this man has had can't be measured. You men (and women) who work with young scouts have the ability to shape and influence lives in remarkable ways. Thanks to all of you for your dedication to scouting and to young men all over the nation.

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Postby Eagle2007 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:15 am

I think you should make an award. Not just a specific one for only your son either. I would try to get into contact with other boys and their parents and come up with some kind of award proposal and present it to the BSA. There should be such an award. Not sure how you would accomplish that but its just an idea.
In my opinion, that would be something to be very proud of, and equally deserving of such an action.
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Postby jr56 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:46 pm

Quite an accomplishment. There is no special award from the BSA for earning all the merit badges. The knowledge gained is priceless. The palms help too.
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Postby deweylure » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:42 pm

Congratulation on earning the MB's . Hope you learned alot form the various topics.

I hope he can be inspirational to many more boys out there.


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Postby lifescoutforlife » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:52 am

He has already touched my son's life which lives 1900 miles away from each other. My son has a simular goal as his, they email each other a lot and have traded patches through the mail, he has even sent camp info in the mail to my son. When my son first set his goal people didn't really believe he would ever come close, after talking with Dallin he has become even more driven about his goal. He talks to him about what he has done and what he is working on and wants to do in the furture. Dallin encourages him by saying that he is going a great job. After 13 months in scouts he has 1/3 of the MB's offered and is still going strong. By him showing this interest in different fields of MB's, boys in our troop have really picked it up also with MB's and rank advancement. So he has touched a whole troop which he has never met. In 2010 my son will meet him face to face for the first time at the national jamboree. My son may be first to shake his hand but I will be 2nd in that line.
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Postby ronin718 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:14 pm

My son also has set a goal of earning all MBs. Will he make it? I don't know, but I certainly intend to allow/give him every opportunity to do so. Our troop has counselors for 83 MBs, and I pay attention to the Council activities that focus on MBs. Fortunately, my son is young (just turned 11) and he has time on his side. We'll just have to wait and see if he maintains this enthusiasm.
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all merit badges

Postby mommatoodle » Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:28 am

I don't know if my son has the goal of getting all of them. but he already has 37, is finishing one tonight, almost done with two more and he has one eagle to go. so that is already 41. he is working on a conservation award which requires 6 electives and he needs 4 more from that list that he doesn't already have, add to that the dozen or so he has said he wants to do and he is a good portion of the way there! I think it is commendable for a boy to try for any and all merit badges. since they aren't ment to be the end all of that paticular subject, boys will get many ideas of things that are possibilities for them. congrats to those who have them all, good luck to those who want them all, it is not impossible and should not be looked at as a bad goal.
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Postby riverwalk » Thu May 03, 2007 1:14 pm

Seems like a good place for this:

A Circle Ten Council Scout will be featured on the local CBS 11 channel tomorrow morning. He earned 122 Merit Badges. I realize much of the forum audience won't see this, but it's still very interesting. In local forums I use, I have mentioned this isn't unheard of but extremely unusual.
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Postby ppate1 » Mon May 07, 2007 4:33 pm

National Capital Area Council has had two Eagles earn all the merit badges in the last 2-3 years. One of them is featured here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3017556 or you can go to the council website www.boyscouts-ncac.org and look on the right side for "local Boy Scout earns all merit badges - view video" link.

We also had a young fellow, earned Eagle and all the merit badges plus was awarded the Hornaday award - the medal that rates a knot, not the badge. The medal requires six environmental projects that are of Eagle quality. Someone suggested that National has only awarded 1000 Hornaday medals in 70 years. He was written up in the council newsletter in 2005.

I'm happy and impressed for and by both of them. The only worry was if a Scout forgot to have fun or teach younger Scouts along the way and focused solely on the "doing" of the merit badges. That would not be a good thing but neither of these guys stands accused of not having fun.
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Postby scoutaholic » Sun May 13, 2007 12:15 am

I've been meaning to look up the original newspaper article on Dallin, and finally got it done. Unfortunatelly, it is old enough that you have to pay for an archive copy. I have a copy, but won't post it here because it is copyrighted. It was printed August 24, 2006.

My son saw his article and has decided he wants to do it as well.

Dallin has apparently continued working hard in things. He was working to finish up high school with his class even though he had been in home school (and not getting school credits) for 2 years. Another scout leader also mentioned to me that they had met him at Woodbadge. Apparently, now that Dallin is 18, he is doing training to be an adult scout leader.
Good for you Dallin.


Another boy in our Council recently earned all 121 as well. You can read his article at http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660216062,00.html. It was printed May 4.
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Postby AquilaNegra » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:26 am

Eldest son's first goal was simply to have more badges than anyone else in the troop had earned. Our then-SPL used to wear his sash (with ~40 MB) whenever he could stretch it to be a 'special occasion'. Eldest was creeping up on him with 25 when his APL told him to go ahead and stop at 41; he was going to get them all. Now they work together and help each other.

One thing we noticed was that after the goal was stated, all of a sudden there are boys in the troop working on badges. Most are working on one or two at a time, but prior to it being said, it was pretty much camp-only and hurry-and-get-your-eagle-required.

There isn't anything wrong with learning about something they have no interest in just to get the badge. As Dallin found with birdwatching, they may discover a passion they didn't know existed. Or they may find they never want to do it again.
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Postby WVBeaver05 » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:31 am

AquilaNegra wrote:There isn't anything wrong with learning about something they have no interest in just to get the badge. As Dallin found with birdwatching, they may discover a passion they didn't know existed. Or they may find they never want to do it again.


I agree completely!! This is a point that I bring out in almost those exact words in Adult Leader Training as well as with Scouts.

As a general rule, MBs don't go very deeply into most subjects, but they do give a fairly good exposure to the subjects. Enough to know if it is something that you have some interest in (even though you thought you didn't) and want to pursue - at least to find out more about. Or, equally (or pehaps more importantly) it is good to know things that you don't really like.

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