1st Class Scout Req #3

[JVCXXVI]

Req #3 # Since joining, have participated in 10 separate troop/patrol activities (other than troop/patrol meetings), three of which included camping overnight.

I have a scout who has asked if he could count the service project, the hike and the fishing activity that were all done at summer camp towards Req #3. All said he wants to use 6 activites from summer camp towards the 10. What are your toughts. Should summer camp counts as 1 activity or should he be allowed to count 6 different activites?

[Mrw]

We would definitely count summer camp as only one activity.

Our scouts do a troop fundraiser once or twice a year, do a couple service projects, camp 11-12 times and got to the pool 3-4 times.

With all those sorts of opportunities, there should be no reason to try to count an activity within an activity towards this requirement.

I do give him credit for ingenuity though.

[ASM-142]

IMHO summercamp and its associated activities would count as one separate activity.

[evmori]

Summer camp = 1.

[JVCXXVI]

that's what I was thinking, but it's nice bounce the idea off others.

[PPC_NYLT]

i would have to agree with everybody else...summer camp and all the associated activities would be classified as one (1) activity for that requirement.

[PPC_NYLT]

i would have to agree with everybody else...summer camp and all the associated activities would be classified as one (1) activity for that requirement.

[joat]

Take a moment to read the mission of the Boy Scouts of America. Think about that, then formulate in your mind a question to ask the boy, such that he can figure out for himself whether attending summer camp meets 6 of 10 activities for the rank requirement. If he has trouble, he can discuss it with the senior patrol leader. Whatever the answer is, all involved will have an excellent learning experience, which by the way relates back to our Mission.

[jr56]

Good idea joat. I agree by the way, summer camp= 1 activity.

[maricopasem]

Let's say you have two Scouts. One Scout enjoys a month of activities, one per week, that include a trip to a local park for fishing in the stocked pond, a trip to the shooting range to shoot clay pigeons, a service project cleaning a park, and a 10-mile bike ride.

What if the other boy did virtually the same activites but did them over the course of four days at camp instead of four weeks at home? How do you explain to the second boy and his family that because he wasn't sleeping at home he doesn't get to count the multiple activities? What if the first boy's troop did the four activities in four successive days? Would you tell him he could only count it as one because he did them so close together, or would you count it as four separate ones because he was sleeping at home?

[JVCXXVI]

Good point. It seems like there's positives and negatives with both. Catch 22

[Mrw]

When you committ to go to summer camp, you sign up for one several day experience with many activities.

When they are scheduled as individual troop activities, you have to committ individually to make arrangements to go to and participate in each activity.

Summer camp is one long activity.

[evmori]

Summer camp = 1

As long as all those activities were done with his Troop or Patrol during his month at home then they can be counted as individual activities. But if they were all done in one trip with his Troop or Patrol then they count as one.

This is really pretty simple.

All activities completed on one trip/outing = 1

All activities completed on individual trips/outings = 1 per trip/outing

Summer camp falls in the 1st category.

[jhawk]

I think the point here is that the scout is being actively involved in the troop. Summer camp is one activity. Yes, you might be at home and do an activity several times a week with your troop--maybe a service project one night cleaning up along a highway, maybe helping with an Eagle project one night, and helping run the cub scout pinewood derby one afternoon, but the point is the scout made an effort to be part of 3 activities. Typically it does take most of a year for an active scout to get 10 activities done, but that is the point! The scout is supposed to be participating in scouting, not just summer camp. So many have to be campouts, too, to ensure that the First Class scout has had several exposures to camping. You would not say summer camp counts as 3 campouts if you sleep in your tent some nights, under your dad's cot on the one night because you were scared by a raccoon smelling your tackle box, and you spent one night in the latrines because of a tornado warning.... It's still one campout.
In our troop, we count activities as a service project, helping with Eagle projects, assisting in special cub events, troop campouts or events like the Klondike Derby, camporees, jamborees, troop merit badge days, or attending Eagle courts of honor--largely any troop event except regular troop meetings.

[jr56]

Yes, that is what the requirement says, any troop or patrol event other than regularly scheduled troop meetings.

[scoutaholic]

Req #3 # Since joining, have participated in 10 separate troop/patrol activities (other than troop/patrol meetings), three of which included camping overnight.

I have a scout who has asked if he could count the service project, the hike and the fishing activity that were all done at summer camp towards Req #3. All said he wants to use 6 activites from summer camp towards the 10. What are your toughts. Should summer camp counts as 1 activity or should he be allowed to count 6 different activites?

The requirement specifically says separate activities. He can count the summer camp as 1 activity for 1st Class. Camp may have also included things that can count for: 6 nights for Camping MB, 1 hike for Hiking MB, 1 Service Project for 2nd Class, service hours for Star/Life or other service awards, catching fish for Fishing/Fly Fishing/Fish & Wildlife Management, cooking for 1st Class and/or Cooking MB, etc., etc., etc.

[lifescoutforlife]

Summer camp = 1
If you are active in your troop 3 camp outs and 7 other activities other than meeting should be no problem by the time you are ready for first class.

[maricopasem]

Now, imagine you're in sunny Arizona where fire restrictions can sometimes close a BSA summer camp. Suppose your summer camp was closed down and you were forced to do something close to home (which has happened to us). They meet together in the morning and do some activity, go home at night to sleep, and then come back the next day to do something else. How would you consider those? Are those all one activity?

[evmori]

Now, imagine you're in sunny Arizona where fire restrictions can sometimes close a BSA summer camp. Suppose your summer camp was closed down and you were forced to do something close to home (which has happened to us). They meet together in the morning and do some activity, go home at night to sleep, and then come back the next day to do something else. How would you consider those? Are those all one activity?

If they are all done on one outing, one.

If they are done individually on individual outings, multiple.

If more than one is done on one outing, one.

Read the requirement. Separate is the key word.

[maricopasem]

Read the requirement.

Are you suggesting I haven't? I understand that the key word is separate. There's no need to be so obvious or redundant.

What I am trying to understand, and am struggling to understand, is how so many can define separate as where you sleep. If you sleep at home the activities are separate, if not then they aren't.