1st Class Scout Req #3

[Mrw]

If the troop meets daily for activities for five days because they can't go to summer camp, then that would be five separate activities.

That boy needs to get up and leave home to get to the activity for each day. For many that means a parent needs to help him travel to wherever that is each day.

For a week at summer camp, he is already at the activity when he gets up in the morning. Summer camp is one long activity.

[evmori]

Read the requirement.

Are you suggesting I haven't? I understand that the key word is separate. There's no need to be so obvious or redundant.

What I am trying to understand, and am struggling to understand, is how so many can define separate as where you sleep. If you sleep at home the activities are separate, if not then they aren't.

If you sleep at home & do a day outing with your Troop & you ride bikes & hike & take a canoe trip, that would count as one outing. If you take three trips with your Troop and on one you ride bikes & on another you hike & on another you take a canoe trip that would count as three separate outings.

[maricopasem]

on one you ride bikes & on another you hike & on another you take a canoe trip that would count as three separate outings

So, if I understand you correctly, if with my troop I go on my 10 mile bike ride one day and on the next day we do a hike and the next day we go on a conoe trip I should count that as three activities.

[evmori]

on one you ride bikes & on another you hike & on another you take a canoe trip that would count as three separate outings

So, if I understand you correctly, if with my troop I go on my 10 mile bike ride one day and on the next day we do a hike and the next day we go on a conoe trip I should count that as three activities.

Yup. If you do them all in the same outing, it counts as one!

[maricopasem]

on one you ride bikes & on another you hike & on another you take a canoe trip that would count as three separate outings

So, if I understand you correctly, if with my troop I go on my 10 mile bike ride one day and on the next day we do a hike and the next day we go on a conoe trip I should count that as three activities.

Yup. If you do them all in the same outing, it counts as one!

That makes no sense. Just because I didn't sleep in my own bed I cannot count them even though each activity is separate and distinct from the other.

[Mrw]

If you did them all during a single campout, they count as one activity because the entire campout counts as one activity.

If you could count them as separate activities that took place during a single campout, we would have kids trying to explain that since they camped out and helped cook and had a knot relay and did some compass work and then went on a hike and learned first aid after dinner that the weekend campout should count for 6 of the 10 required activities and therefore they could earn first class in 2 months/campout after joining.

[scoutaholic]

... they camped out and helped cook and had a knot relay and did some compass work and then went on a hike and learned first aid after dinner ...

This boy may have completed the following requirements:

Scout 6

Tenderfoot 1
Tenderfoot 2
Tenderfoot 3
Tenderfoot 4b
Tenderfoot 12a
Tenderfoot 12b

2nd Class 1a
2nd Class 1b
2nd Class 2b
2nd Class 2f
2nd Class 2g
2nd Class 6a
2nd Class 6c

1st Class 2
1st Class 7b
1st Class 8a
1st Class 8b
1st Class 8c
1st Class 8d

Part of Camping MB
Part of Cooking MB
Part of Pioneering MB
Part of Orienteering MB
Part of Hiking MB
Part of First Aid MB
Part of Emergency Preparedness MB

Some of the activities mentioned may not have included enough to fulfill these requirements, but some are probably completed. He did a lot of work on requirements, but the number of things done has little to do with how many activities this should count for. The camp was 1 activity.

... they could earn first class in 2 months/campout after joining.

You say that as though it would be bad (or impossible) to earn 1st Class in a short time.

The requirements allow for the possibility of earning Tenderfoot, 2nd Class, and 1st Class all in 1 month (Tenderfoot 10 takes 1 month). I've never seen a troop or patrol that had 10 non-meeting activities in 1 month, but the requirements don't exclude the possibility.

If a troop/patrol were to have enough activities and a boy worked hard enough to complete all the requirements within his first month, he should be awarded for his hard work, not looked-down-upon for doing it too fast.

[evmori]

on one you ride bikes & on another you hike & on another you take a canoe trip that would count as three separate outings

So, if I understand you correctly, if with my troop I go on my 10 mile bike ride one day and on the next day we do a hike and the next day we go on a conoe trip I should count that as three activities.

Yup. If you do them all in the same outing, it counts as one!

That makes no sense. Just because I didn't sleep in my own bed I cannot count them even though each activity is separate and distinct from the other.

You seem to be hung up on where a Scout sleeps! It makes no difference.

As I posted before -

If your Troop takes a day trip & hikes & rides bikes & canoes then goes home that is one outing and one activity.

If your Troop takes a day trip and hikes then goes home, the next day takes a trip & canoes & goes home and the next day takes a trip & rides bikes & goes home that would count as three separate outings & activities.

This really isn't as difficult as you are making it.

[jhawk]

Let's all take a deep, cleansing breath here! It all boils down to making sure a scout has had a variety of scout activities under his belt before earning First Class. It has nothing to do with making it take longer to reach First Class. An active scout should be able to get First Class in one year or less. That is still pretty quick to knock off half of the ranks.... Not that I am a fan of slowing kids down, mind you. I have read enough about that on this forum. As the parent of a scout who made Eagle at 13 and is still happily a scout at age 17 with 12 palms, I have even been offended by people who slam that.... Don't get me started on that one! But as for something as simple as participating in 10 activities--I think the answer is pretty simple. It's 10 activities with the scout leaving for the activity from home on 10 different days regardless of where the kid slept, if he slept, what he ate, whether or not he liked the activity, etc! It is simply 10 activities. Summer camp is one. A 3 day campout is one. Even a 12 day trek at Philmont is one. A one hour paper drive is still one. It's about exposure to 10 different outings or events. It really isn't worth getting upset about. Very little in our daily lives is. Let's remember that we are here to help each other out. Let's play nice!

[cballman]

sounds like to me we have to many lawyers in on answering some of these questions. like some others I will make it simple

1 tour permit = 1 outing or event

should be no problem for anyone to understand unless all they want to do is cause trouble.

[Mrw]

If a boy legitimately learns everything he needs to know to make first class in 2 months, that is impressive and he earned it.

But my experience is that the kids who try to get by double and triple counting things are the ones who really need more time and practice to get it right.

[ICanCanoeCanU]

But my experience is that the kids who try to get by double and triple counting things are the ones who really need more time and practice to get it right.

And these scouts/adults/parents/leaders are missing the whole concept of the scouting program. But then again, that is a common problem these days with society in general.

This is a real simple question and has already been answered in very simple terms. Some folks just aren't going to get it.

[WeeWillie]

Maricopasem.

Where are you going in 2007? Session?

Geronimo
Raymond
Lawton

T480 Geronimo Session 8

Previously
Fiesta Island 2006, 2002
Geronimo 2005, 2004, 2003

[evmori]

sounds like to me we have to many lawyers in on answering some of these questions. like some others I will make it simple

1 tour permit = 1 outing or event

should be no problem for anyone to understand unless all they want to do is cause trouble.

Excellent example Charlie! And just for the record, I ain't no lawyer!

[maricopasem]

Where are you going in 2007?

We are planning to do a 5-day whitewater rafting trip out of Moab, UT, on which the boys can earn up to five merit badges.