National Venturing Event

[OldGreyBear]

Since the 2010 Jamboree will not allow Venturers as participants, what would you like to see in a National Venturing event? Where and when would you like to see it held? What activities would be there? Any thoughts?

[wagionvigil]

Members of Crews can attend the National Jamboree as staff members or working the Venturing Area. AS a staff member they can do everything the scouts do.

[OldGreyBear]

Except attend the Jamboree and participate as a Crew without having staff responsibilities

[ThunderingWind]

Since the 2010 Jamboree will not allow Venturers as participants, what would you like to see in a National Venturing event? Where and when would you like to see it held? What activities would be there? Any thoughts?

I would like to have an equally as impressive, involved, supported and "funded" event.

But since we have to start somewhere, a full week of events at Northern Tier for Crews ONLY would be nice. Make sure the fun stuff is there (rifles, shoot guns, black powder, catapault building etc...) and some well qualified instructors to certifiy the completion of many of the Outdoor Bronze and Ranger requirements (short of the teaching or telling others, let the Crews come back to the local area and teach or tell Packs and Troops).

Just one person's opinion........

[OldGreyBear]

Thundering Wind, as an Advisor of an Outdoor Crew, I would love that, what would you have for Sea Scouts, Arts and Hobbies, Religious Life and Sports Crew?

PS Where is Penn's Woods Council?

[wagionvigil]

lets just start working national to include crews in the 100th anniversary at A.P. Hill

[MDEagle]

You mean that even Venturers under age 18 can't go to Jamboree? That seems odd. I hope the Venture program gets a little more organized and accepted soon (defining "soon" as to be "before my son is age eligible)

My son can't wait to be a Venture Scout, and I'm not even sure where a group meets.

[ThunderingWind]

Thundering Wind, as an Advisor of an Outdoor Crew, I would love that, what would you have for Sea Scouts, Arts and Hobbies, Religious Life and Sports Crew?

PS Where is Penn's Woods Council?

I, too, am with an Outdoor crew. So, yes, I tend to forget the other focus groups. I would bring people in to cover those areas. And of course we would two social evenings during the week and encourage everyone to try a "day in the life of another type of crew."

Penn's Woods is the council just east of Pittsburgh. Johnstown/Altoona area.

[ThunderingWind]

lets just start working national to include crews in the 100th anniversary at A.P. Hill

Hear! Hear! Would a simple letter writting campaign be effective?

[OldGreyBear]

A Venturer who is a member of a Boy Scout Troop can of course attend the Jamboree as a member of a Boy Scout Contingent.

I recently talked to a national council executive in Venturing, there is no plan to include Venturing Crews in the 2010 Jamboree and there is no plan to have a National event, if it is to occur it has to be down by the volunteers, then again perhaps that is the best way

[wagionvigil]

ed if we could get every Crew in the country to write Individual letters to NAtional. who knows what might happen?

[international]

Since the 2010 Jamboree will not allow Venturers as participants, what would you like to see in a National Venturing event? Where and when would you like to see it held? What activities would be there? Any thoughts?

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Why is that? What about the World Jamboree, does the BSA allowed venturers to go as scouts ? I saw a lot of them when I drooped of my kid for this years Jamboree, and I was hopping that my daughter would join them for the next World Jamboree, but as a scout, not as crew
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[international]

ed if we could get every Crew in the country to write Individual letters to NAtional. who knows what might happen?

Count me in.When do we start?
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[joat]

ed if we could get every Crew in the country to write Individual letters to NAtional. who knows what might happen?

Are y'all prepared to admit Cub Scouts too?

[wagionvigil]

There is an age limit for the Jamboree. And Cubs are no included nor should they be. WHy would you want Cubs to attend? This would give them NOTHING to look forward to. Boy Scouts and Venturing are in most cases High Adventure oriented, Cubs are not nor should they be . High Adventure is for Scouts and Ventures that are able to do the Ultimate High Adventure Activities and age appropriate activities.

[PaulSWolf]

There were HUNDREDS of Venturers at the last two Jamborees, and I'm sure there will be hundreds at the next one, too.

Venturers over age 16 can and do attend the Jamborees as YOUTH STAFF, but not as contingent members. Venturers over 18 can also serve as 3rd Assistant Scoutmasters for contingent troops. Male Venturers under age 18 can attend as contingent members if they are members of a Scout Troop or Varsity Team in addition to their Crew membership.

BTW, Youth Staff members pay considerably LESS than contingent members. They only pay 1/2 of the basic Jamboree fee, plus their personal transportation costs, as opposed to contingent members who must pay the full Jamboree fee, plus costs for unit equipment, touring, and other expenses.

Last time, contingent members paid anywhere from $1,000 to $2,000 or more, while Youth Staff paid $250 plus transportation.

[scoutaholic]

Our council creates troops especially for national events. I'm not sure how all the paperwork is done (like chartering organizations, and registrations in the new troop), but at the Jamboree they are members of troop 901 (or 902, etc. Troops from 900-920).

Regardless of their previous registrations, a venturer could be registered into one of the contingent troops (as a youth member or as ASM).
I'm not sure how they could handle female members, because you can't register female youth in a troop (unless the council just breaks BSA rules to do it. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen the council do something contrary to national rules).

[wagionvigil]

I would like to see Either regions or Areas within regions be able to send crews just like a troop to the jamboree. Possibly 1 crew from each area. That would be 50 Ventures or so in each sub camp with their leadership.

[PaulSWolf]

Our council creates troops especially for national events. I'm not sure how all the paperwork is done (like chartering organizations, and registrations in the new troop), but at the Jamboree they are members of troop 901 (or 902, etc. Troops from 900-920).

Regardless of their previous registrations, a venturer could be registered into one of the contingent troops (as a youth member or as ASM).
I'm not sure how they could handle female members, because you can't register female youth in a troop (unless the council just breaks BSA rules to do it. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen the council do something contrary to national rules).

No, The members of contingent troops MUST be registered in either a Scout Troop or Varsity Team BEFORE their application for the Jamboree is accepted.

The paperwork is different than registering a new permanent troop.

[Chief J]

Council petitions the National Jamboree Committee for the number of scout troops they would like to have assigned. This petition or application is reviewed and the number of Jamboree contingent troops allowed (assigned) is determined. Some of the decision factors include past Jamboree experiences(i.e., how many troops in the past), number of troops requested in total, number of youth that council serves, etc.

As far as Jamboree troop numbering, this is also assigned by the National Jamboree Committee, and is basically once they know what subcamp you will be assigned to, the first 1 or two digits is your subcamp number and the remaning digits are sequentially assigned. i.e., if assigned to subcamp 4, your troop number will be 4XX, if assigned to subcamp 12, your troop number will be 12XX.

Also, your Jamboree troop is not your official BSA Registration. You must be registered in a Troop, or Vasity Team before you can apply to attend the Jamboree. The purpose of your Jamboree Troop is to allow for efficient administration of moving you to the Jamboree site, providing quality leadership while you are participating, and to move you safely home. The Jamboree Troop Leaders generally will not have a committe, nor will they be responsible for administrering your rank advancements, boards of review, etc. These are the responsibilities of your home troop.

As for the reason why the National Jamboree could not create a Venture Crew per Council to allow Venturers to attend is beyond me. I would like to hear the official position. If it is due to the coed nature, that is a pretty weak argument.

I believe that the Jamboree Committee could easily designate one subcamp as Venture Crews only, and accomodate the need for male/female facilities, etc. One subcamp could hold approximately 40 - 50 contingent units made up of 36 youth and 4 leaders.

Best Regards,
Chief J