Eagle applications and the like......

[pipestone1991]

Well, my project is half-way completed (hopefully will be completed in 2-3 weeks), and I want to get all of the paperwork out of the way. I am making a list of all that needs filled out (or so I think):

*application
*ambition statement (does this have to be an essay?)
*project final report
*pictures
*diagrams
*5 letters (educational,religous,parent, three others)

Am I missing anything? I want to be able to have my scoutmaster conference in early July and my troop BOR during an afternoon at summer camp (July 15th-21st). Then hopefully my district BOR in August!

[scubascout]

congratulations, but i dont think you msiised anyhting

[Mrw]

Just curious - why a troop BOR before the district BOR?

[evmori]

The list looks good, but you don't need to supply 5 letters unless you are asked to do so. The requirement is to supply 5 people who would be will to be a reference.

Good luck!

[wagionvigil]

A Troop BOR is not in the process and is not part of the requirements

[Mrw]

Our Council wants the letters, they are available for the review board to see for themselves what the references have to say about the Eagle candidate.

Reference letters should be turned in UNOPENED with you application package. You will only see what these people had to say about you later if the board chooses to share that with you. (We have always given them back to the boy after the BOR).

I have found it is sometimes better to ask more than five people for reference letters as some seem to take way to long to be written and you don't want to wait just on one other person to turn things in. For example, my older son had a committee member and former SM bring his to the BOR. Fortunately, we had asked enough people that we did not need to wait on this one guy.

[RWSmith]

Reference letters should be turned in UNOPENED with you application package. You will only see what these people had to say about you later if the board chooses to share that with you. (We have always given them back to the boy after the BOR).

Our council forbids allowing an ES candicate to see these letters (regardless of their content... good, bad, whatever) prior to, during or even after the BOR. Each ESBOR member reads each letter just prior to the ESBOR; and, though any board member may use material derived from those letters during the BOR, the letter(s) themselves are generally not specifically referenced; and they are certainly not shown to the candidate. Whatever is contained in these letters remains confidential among the ESBOR members. Period. These letters are returned with the packet to the council office where they are pulled (prior to forwarding the appl. to National) and filed in the candidate's permanant record. (Disclaimer: I may be wrong; but, that's my understanding. If I hear otherwise, I'll let you know.)

[evmori]

Our Council wants the letters, they are available for the review board to see for themselves what the references have to say about the Eagle candidate.

Then the council is the one who should be getting them. There is no requirement for the Scout or anyone in his unit to get them unless asked. They are not required for an Eagle BOR.

[Mrw]

If we waited on the council to obtain letters of recommendation, we might never get them.

What I normally do is send a request from myself to each of the persons listed by the scout and have the letters come back to me in a SASE and hand them to the scout, still sealed to go into his application packet. Some boys prefer to ask for the letters themselves.

[lifescoutforlife]

We give them envolopes addressed to council for the person to send them to the office. If they don't send them maybe they weren't that good of a reference in the first place.

[evmori]

There is no requirement for anyone to write any letter of recommendation. The requirement is to list 5 people who would be willing to give you a recommendation.

[pipestone1991]

There is no requirement for anyone to write any letter of recommendation. The requirement is to list 5 people who would be willing to give you a recommendation.

Don't we see a trend on this site of councils making up their own rules? Anyway, I'm going to do the referral letters and the troop BOR without complaint.....

[OldGreyBear]

I am so gonna have to book mark this address:

http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s ... faq+review

check down to the picture of the gentleman on the phone where it says:

Question: How are the references of an Eagle candidate checked?

Answer: The references on the candidate's Eagle Scout Rank Application are contacted by the council advancement committee or a designated representative either by letter, form (the local council may have one for this purpose), or telephone. The council determines the method(s) to be used. The Scout is not responsible for collecting or returning any completed reference responses to be used by the board of review.

Before listing his references on the Eagle Scout Rank Application, the candidate should secure the approval of those individuals he wants to include.


Wonder how long it will take Councils to do THIS right!

[pipestone1991]

I am so gonna have to book mark this address:

http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s ... faq+review

check down to the picture of the gentleman on the phone where it says:

Question: How are the references of an Eagle candidate checked?

Answer: The references on the candidate's Eagle Scout Rank Application are contacted by the council advancement committee or a designated representative either by letter, form (the local council may have one for this purpose), or telephone. The council determines the method(s) to be used. The Scout is not responsible for collecting or returning any completed reference responses to be used by the board of review.

Before listing his references on the Eagle Scout Rank Application, the candidate should secure the approval of those individuals he wants to include.


Wonder how long it will take Councils to do THIS right!

I was implying about the trooop BOR.....which I have no clue about, my council says if you do not pass a troop BOR before you turn 18 you cannot become Eagle....I want to know what national says.

[evmori]

I am so gonna have to book mark this address:

http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s ... faq+review

check down to the picture of the gentleman on the phone where it says:

Question: How are the references of an Eagle candidate checked?

Answer: The references on the candidate's Eagle Scout Rank Application are contacted by the council advancement committee or a designated representative either by letter, form (the local council may have one for this purpose), or telephone. The council determines the method(s) to be used. The Scout is not responsible for collecting or returning any completed reference responses to be used by the board of review.

Before listing his references on the Eagle Scout Rank Application, the candidate should secure the approval of those individuals he wants to include.


Wonder how long it will take Councils to do THIS right!

I was implying about the trooop BOR.....which I have no clue about, my council says if you do not pass a troop BOR before you turn 18 you cannot become Eagle....I want to know what national says.

Once again they are incorrect. You have until midnight of the day before you 18th birthday to have all your Eagle paperwork turned into council. Then, you have 90 days to have your BOR or you will need to apply for an extension.

[wagionvigil]

Ed he is saying Troop BOR usually there is a special Eagle BOR.

[Mrw]

I would still take issue with the troop BOR before the district/council EBOR. He says he is required to have both and that is definitely not the way it should be.

[wagionvigil]

correct there is NO TROOP BOR for Eagle.
the BOR may be held at the troop meeting site with people from the troop but it is not a troop BOR. there is always a district or council Representative on the panel. The scout can actually select the members of the panel.

[Craft Lady]

Ok I have a question about a Troop BOR for Eagle.

What if a troop "recommends" a Troop BOR? My son's troop offers and recommends (note they do not require) a troop BOR to help the scout have another review of the paper work to make sure it is in order before the Eagle BOR, and as an extra step to make sure they are prepared.

They have never had a boy that went through the Troop BOR have a problem passing the Eagle BOR at the Council level. However a few that opted out, turns out were missing something in the paperwork and had to go back.

So I guess what I am asking is it ok that they offer/recommened a troop BOR but do not require it?

Jennifer

[wagionvigil]

It is not proper,It against all the training the "Leaders" have had. It has no bearing on the Final Outcome