National Venturing Event

[LSR]

Is there a good reason we don't know about to not allow Venturers to attend? I can't figure one out, but who knows? Were I a Venturer, I'd be kind of insulted. As a Scouter, I'm wondering why we are needlessly antagonizing fellow members of the BSA family.

[wagionvigil]

Ok first Scout is not part of their name. Second and Probably the biggest most crews are (god for bid) coed. Third they are still considered a youth up to age 21. (But so is Jamboree Staff). Personally there is no justifiable resaon to exclude them.

[9009scoutmaster]

Ok first Scout is not part of their name. Second and Probably the biggest most crews are (god for bid) coed. Third they are still considered a youth up to age 21. (But so is Jamboree Staff). Personally there is no justifiable resaon to exclude them.

Yes there is, if National allowed Coed Venture youth under 18 years of age, (female) to attend the National Boy Scout Jamboree. The Boy Scouts would have to allow females to join Boy Scout Troops.

Just think how many times the BSA has went to court over the years on this issue.

This is why ventures need to sell "National" on a stand along National Venturing activity if you want to have this type activity because Letter writing ETC will not do any good on issue of ventures attending the Jamboree until girls can join boy scout troops.

[wagionvigil]

How would allowing members of a crew (which is a coed BSA program)attend the Jamboree force the BSA to allow Girls to Join Boy Scouts? That is the thinking that is hurting the Venturing Program.

[9009scoutmaster]

Because it is the National BOY Scout Jamboree.
The activities are set up for Boy Scouts, not cubs or Ventures.
There are, if I understand right 4 different types of Venture Crews activities at jamboree would only cover the camping /high adventure crews. What about the other 3 types of crews.

[PaulSWolf]

Is there a good reason we don't know about to not allow Venturers to attend? I can't figure one out, but who knows? Were I a Venturer, I'd be kind of insulted. As a Scouter, I'm wondering why we are needlessly antagonizing fellow members of the BSA family.

Many Venturers can and do attend the Jamboree as YOUTH STAFF members, just not as members of contingent troops.

At the 1989 Jamboree (if memory serves me), There was a separate sub-camp established for Explorers (before the split) who were organized into contingent Posts similar to contingent troops. The number of Explorers who attended was quite low, far below the expected or desired numbers.

So BSA decided that the effort was not worth the time and expense, and such an experiment was not repeated.

here's a quote from a 1996 message on Scouts-l:

The 1989 Jamboree had an Explorer Subcamp which
failed abysmally because very few explorers signed up. Why they didn't is
a difficult question. Some have suggested that it was not promoted by
local councils and their respective jamboree committees,
so posts didn't get the word on the opportunity. Others have suggested
that "Explorers didn't want to go to a 'Boy Scout' event," so they didn't
sign up. Still others have suggested that there was not clear or
appealing information about what the Explorers would do at the Jamboree,
so it was not well received by them. In any case, the failure was a
major disappointment, and impacted the potential for future Explorer
Participation at National Jamborees.

Just change "Explorer" to "Venturer" and it still applies today.

[wagionvigil]

By the time the applications sihnups come out etc. It will have been 20 years since the "experiment" With the Change in Venturing since then It might be time to give it another shot. I found that in the past three Jamborees the Venturing presence has multiplied each Jamboree.

[PaulSWolf]

Because it is the National BOY Scout Jamboree.
The activities are set up for Boy Scouts, not cubs or Ventures.
There are, if I understand right 4 different types of Venture Crews activities at jamboree would only cover the camping /high adventure crews. What about the other 3 types of crews.

Actually, there are FIVE types of Venturing Crews:

Arts and Hobbies
Outdoor
Sports
Religious Life, and
Sea Scouting (Ships)

As you note, in general, it really would be only Outdoor Crews that MIGHT be interested. And even then I really doubt if many Venturers would attend. If you think about the activities, most really are geared toward Boy Scouts (Action areas, National Exhibits, and the MB Midway in particular). The content of the arena shows, and even the Venturing exhibit are geared to younger boys. About the only thing Venturers would really find interesting is some of the other Exhibits, like the Military and Conservation areas.

As a 4 time attendee (staff), I still think Venturers that want to attend should stop trying to push for attendance as participants in Crews, and should really consider attending as staff members. They'd get to experience the Jamboree, pay less, and find it fulfilling as a volunteer job.

[PaulSWolf]

By the time the applications sihnups come out etc. It will have been 20 years since the "experiment" With the Change in Venturing since then It might be time to give it another shot. I found that in the past three Jamborees the Venturing presence has multiplied each Jamboree.

Sure, as STAFF.

[9009scoutmaster]

I am not against Ventures going to the Jamboree if they want to.