eagle project

[hacimsaalk]

2 boys in our troop recently completed their eagle project (joint). one i think might have been life, the other was 1st class. supposibly, he got council to sign off on it knowing he was only 1st class. dont you ahve to be a life scout to even start ur project? if not, when did this change??

[9009scoutmaster]

I just went to scouting.org and looked at Eagle Scout Leadership Service Project Workbook. It plainly states, while a Life scout.

[spl08]

Uh, yeah you have to be a Life Scout! And I'm darn near 100% sure that you can't to a joint project either! It has to be done by the individual scout! Wow! What coucil authorized that?

[evmori]

Yup. Gotta be a Life Scout to even start working on your Eagle project. Someone should explain this to the 1st Class Scout & his parents now! Show them chapter & verse!

[Mrw]

I agree, you definitely need to be a Life scout to start the project. And it also does need to be your project. There are no joint Eagle projects.

One may need to follow another, but they are separate projects for each boy.

I cannot imagine this will float long term as the dates will be all wrong when the younger one goes to submit an Eagle application.

[lifescoutforlife]

Are you sure you just didn't see the name of the first class scout under hours worked on the life scouts eagle project?

[ASM-142]

I agree, you definitely need to be a Life scout to start the project. And it also does need to be your project. There are no joint Eagle projects.

One may need to follow another, but they are separate projects for each boy.

I cannot imagine this will float long term as the dates will be all wrong when the younger one goes to submit an Eagle application.

In addition to being a life scout you need approval prior to starting the Eagle Project

[hacimsaalk]

Are you sure you just didn't see the name of the first class scout under hours worked on the life scouts eagle project?

positive. my dad was talkign about scouts last tuesday (i missed it), and he mentioned that the 1st class boy we are discussing, had his BOR for star. my jaw dropped at that point. he in fact is also the older boy.

as far as a joint project goes, i dk how that worked, ive never heard of it.

ill be able to make it to scouts this tuesday, so im defintly gonna want to see the paperwork for this one.

[pipestone1991]

Bottom line........the project isn't valid.

[OldGreyBear]

You young guys wont understand this most likely, but as Paul Harvey always said, "stay tuned for the rest of the story..." there has to be more to this or something was misunderstood. Anyway, put me down for the no, you cant start an Eagle project until you are Life and that includes the approval process Camp

[hacimsaalk]

You young guys wont understand this most likely, but as Paul Harvey always said, "stay tuned for the rest of the story..." there has to be more to this or something was misunderstood. Anyway, put me down for the no, you cant start an Eagle project until you are Life and that includes the approval process Camp

im gonna say that the misunderstanding would ahve to be on councils part. the only other thing i can figure out is that the comittee botched the paperwork. or, the boys (they're quite lazy and shy) didnt complete paperwork like they shouldve (b/c nobody told them too). idk, i guess ill have to wait till i find out more to come to a conclusion.

[mt_goodrich]

Something is definately wrong and I'm hoping there is a misunderstanding.

[hacimsaalk]

i heard through the grapevine (AKA the SM's son) that the district rep/chair (not advancement chair) said that it would go through. now, im not sure that means it would go through (their eagle BOR) if the project got approved the 1st time, or it would get approved, or what. id have to think that he was kinda outta the loop (hes one to stick by the rules). i think there was a misunderstanding on his part, and that in return turned into a misinformed SM.

i really just gotta wait till tuesday to find things out.

[Chief J]

I am also in the NO category. The project must be planned and executed while a Life scout. Also, each Scout must plan, and execute their own project. (No joint projects allowed).

Hopefully this is all a misunderstanding, but if not, Council or someone needs to know about this faux pas and put a stop to it.

I will also stay tuned for "the rest of the story",
Chief J

[hacimsaalk]

Hopefully this is all a misunderstanding, but if not, Council or someone needs to know about this faux pas and put a stop to it

im also in this boat. both boys are great scouts. i would hate to have them get to their eagle BOR only to find out the cant go through b/c they did a crummy project and didnt follow the rules.

i will keep you all posted as i find out more.

[hacimsaalk]

well, heres what went down. they fudged their life rank (said they were life, and are now working towards it). they did the project with only the organizations signature. they didnt even write up their paperwork (b4 completing their project). they are planning on writing it all up and sending it in w/o the advancements chair signature, crossing their fingers and hoping for the best. im not sure where the SM was in all this. he seemed to be kinda clueless as to the situation, so im not considering him at fault). i talked to the scouts first (off by themselves) and they had no clue about anything, not where their paperwork was, not if they got their signatures. im pretty much unimpressed at this point.

any thoughts???

[Quailman]

Your description of their cluelessness pretty much sums it up.

Before reading that I was considering posting thoughts re: the issue of a joint project. I know of two quasi-joint projects, where two separate projects were carried out in the same location, and in close temporal proximity, giving the impression of a joint project. One pair involved a garden featuring native plantings, benches, et al. next to a nature center. A second scout erected a chimney swift tower (not the one pictured in the link). Some of the work ended up getting carried out on the same day and the gardener even helped the builder that day. Both were independent, however.

[Mrw]

well, heres what went down. they fudged their life rank (said they were life, and are now working towards it). they did the project with only the organizations signature. they didnt even write up their paperwork (b4 completing their project). they are planning on writing it all up and sending it in w/o the advancements chair signature, crossing their fingers and hoping for the best. im not sure where the SM was in all this. he seemed to be kinda clueless as to the situation, so im not considering him at fault). i talked to the scouts first (off by themselves) and they had no clue about anything, not where their paperwork was, not if they got their signatures. im pretty much unimpressed at this point.

any thoughts???

My thought is that it was nice of them to organize and do some sort of service project, but that at most it counts for the 6 hours of service you need to earn either Star or Life rank - whichever applies to them.

It is a pity they did not read the requirements before starting. I cannot imagine the district or council being so desparate for new Eagle scouts that they get Eagle project credit for this.

Hopefully you have educated them a bit about what they will need to do when they are Life to earn their Eagle. It was nice of you to pull them aside and ask privately what was going on, rather than publicly humiliating them.

[evmori]

well, heres what went down. they fudged their life rank (said they were life, and are now working towards it). they did the project with only the organizations signature. they didnt even write up their paperwork (b4 completing their project). they are planning on writing it all up and sending it in w/o the advancements chair signature, crossing their fingers and hoping for the best. im not sure where the SM was in all this. he seemed to be kinda clueless as to the situation, so im not considering him at fault). i talked to the scouts first (off by themselves) and they had no clue about anything, not where their paperwork was, not if they got their signatures. im pretty much unimpressed at this point.

any thoughts???

Hmmmm........ On my honor ...............

Sounds like a serious Scout Spirit issue! Not exactly living their everyday life according to the Scout Oath & Law. People get arrested for a fraud & conspiracy like this!

[hacimsaalk]

well, theyre pretty darn confident that council will approve it after the fact. i dont think they really get how serious this is. council isnt desperate for eagles. id be willing to bet they have about a 5% chance (at most) of getting it approved.