Scout with potential DEADLY reaction to Peanuts

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Postby ASM-142 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:59 am

Mrw wrote:Banning is sometimes the only way to manage severe allergic reactions. There are some pepole with food allergies who have serious reactions to the smell of the particular food. Or to eating something made in the same factory as that food is processed in. I have a friend who ended up in the emergency room after her toddler was kissed by an Uncle who had just eaten jelly beans that were made in a plant that also makes peanut candy.

For milder allergies or religious reasons, it makes sense to just ensure that child's needs are planned around - such as the turkey bacon, or letting little Johnny bring his own balogna when the patrol is eating paenut butter.

I agree 100%
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Postby evmori » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:17 am

ASM-142 wrote:
Mrw wrote:Banning is sometimes the only way to manage severe allergic reactions. There are some pepole with food allergies who have serious reactions to the smell of the particular food. Or to eating something made in the same factory as that food is processed in. I have a friend who ended up in the emergency room after her toddler was kissed by an Uncle who had just eaten jelly beans that were made in a plant that also makes peanut candy.

For milder allergies or religious reasons, it makes sense to just ensure that child's needs are planned around - such as the turkey bacon, or letting little Johnny bring his own balogna when the patrol is eating paenut butter.

I agree 100%


I don't agree. Are these foods banned in the real world? No. Learning to manage their allergies is way more important than banning. In the example, would jelly beans now be banned?
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Postby Mrw » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:42 am

For families that deal with these types of extreme allergies, managing means reading the packages for everything they buy and skipping any product that is labeled with a line stating it was made in a facility that also processes peanuts.

Managing means not going to some restaurants because they have peanuts on the table to munch on while you wait.

It means never even thinking of getting Thai food and likely skipping Chinese too.

It means asking everytime you might order food out.

So no, it doesn't mean the troop bans jelly beans. But you do leave the obvious no-nos at home.

Things I learned from our allergist when my son was tested for allergies at age two:

Peanut allergies are one of the most common food allergies among children. No one really knows why they are becoming so much more prevalent in the past 10-20 years. Many food allergies are mild and /or are grown out of over time. Peanut allergies tend to get worse over time.

There has been research that suggests that people should not expose their children to foods such as peanuts that are common allergins until they are 3-4 years old and they are less likely to become allergic.

Food allergies tend to run in families - if the parent is allergic to some sort of food, the child is more likely to have a food allergy than the other kids. Interestingly, it is not always the same food that prompts a reaction.

For example: my husband is allergic to fish and shellfish except, for some odd reason , tuna. He also reaacts badly to brazil nuts and black-eyed peas. My older son had developed as sensitivity to seafood as well as he hit about 19-20 years old. My younger son is allergic to peanuts. The allergist had recommended that when they have kids, they avoid feeding the babies peanuts, fish, nuts, and eggs until they are 3-4 years old.
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Postby Quailman » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:47 am

People in the real world have severe and potentially fatal reactions to peanuts. This is an excellent opportunity for the scouts to learn about this situation and how to work around it. They can have their PB&J during the week and accomodate this scout at campouts and meetings..

I'll bet in a year (less actually) these scouts will be pointing out to their parents the messages on labels for foods made in plants that also process peanuts.
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Postby ASM-142 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:58 am

evmori wrote:Are these foods banned in the real world? No.


There are cases where a child has a severe allergy and that food has been banned from schools. This is the real world and we are talking about a child's life.
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Postby maricopasem » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:39 am

evmori wrote:I don't agree. Are these foods banned in the real world? No. Learning to manage their allergies is way more important than banning. In the example, would jelly beans now be banned?

You can't "manage" a deadly allergy. It's not like diabetes or other medical conditions where through medication and care you keep some physiological characteristic within an acceptable range. That's like suggesting that someone "manage" a gun shot to the head.
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Postby scouter01 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:50 pm

so will the scout get the deadly reaction if he can smell it? or just if he eats it
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Postby Mrw » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:14 pm

When my husband was in high school and his fish allergy was at its worst, he was stocking shelves in the supermarket as an after school job. One day he put some packages of fish in the meat case and then scratched his nose. He broke out in hives and a rash within minutes.

The deadly peanut allergic kids need even less exposure than that to react. And similar to bee sting allergies, each reaction is often worse than the one before.
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Postby PaulSWolf » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:42 pm

scouter01 wrote:so will the scout get the deadly reaction if he can smell it? or just if he eats it
YES!!! That is indeed possible.

From the MAYO Clinic's web site:
Peanut allergy affects approximately 1.5 million people in the United States. As the most common cause of life-threatening allergic reactions (anaphylaxis), peanut allergies account for 80 percent of fatal or near-fatal allergic reactions each year.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/peanut-allergy/DS00710

Try doing a GOOGLE search on "Peanut Allergy"
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Postby scouter01 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:49 pm

then couldn't they die just wlaking by someones lunch? that doesn't seem to happen does it.
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Postby Hubert » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:32 pm

And on that note, in order for him to ride in a vechicle, they must be peanut free forever, not just on a campout. We al have lives outside of scouting, peanuts are bound to be in our cars. So, that means that this young man couldnt ride in our vechicles.
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Postby scouter01 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:51 pm

I really feel sorry for the kid. This means his mom or dad will have to come on every trip ( trust me its a drag) I used to like it but unfortunetly my dads and active ASM so he comes everytime. end of rant.

I don't really see an issue here. If he is coming on the campout then there can't be peanuts so they will just have to buy other food. there doesn't really seem like an other option.
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Postby ASM-142 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:40 am

The problem is that some individuals still want to have their peanuts and will not give them up.

In my mind they should be banned.
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Postby ronin718 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:49 am

ASM-142 wrote:The problem is that some individuals still want to have their peanuts and will not give them up.

In my mind they should be banned.


The peanuts, or the individuals??? :lol:
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Postby ASM-142 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:55 am

The peanuts plus the individuals who will not give up their peanuts :lol:
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Postby ronin718 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:05 am

I'm going to open myself up to all kinds of ridicule here, but maybe I'll be speaking where some fear to tread.

I certainly understand the life-threatening issue involved here. But is it fair to the great majority of the troop to impose all these restrictions on their activities/menu for the sake of one? It is certainly possible to extend all REASONABLE care and caution in accomodating individuals with allergies and handicaps. But to DEMAND that all things detrimental to the boy's health be removed? This is where our PC society is starting to swing too far to the extreme.

I'm sorry, but camping outdoors has many things that can be detrimental to one's health. What's going to happen if some boy happens to have a leftover peanut in his pack? Is he going to face some form of extreme discipline for this heinous act? Will he be banned from future activities? Or will the entire troop have to have an equipment shakedown to ensure no rogue peanuts are running loose in the gear.

At some point the boy and his parents need to take an active role in ensuring their son's well-being without stepping on the rights of the rest of the troop to enjoy the trip as well. The ADA is not designed to restrict the rights of the able. It is there to facilitate the participation of the disabled. It's time to apply some common sense into our world again. Minimize the potential, but let people enjoy the activities... All of the people.
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Postby ASM-142 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:05 pm

ronin718 wrote:... What's going to happen if some boy happens to have a leftover peanut in his pack? ...

A scout could die under this situation.
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Postby Mrw » Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:33 pm

The odds are pretty good that the boys in the troop already know this boy is allergic to peanuts and how severe it is. The same type of accomodation would be made for this boy at school.

And where the troop cannot legislate that other drivers keep their car religiously peanut free, the boys may
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Postby cballman » Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:40 pm

here we go we go from 1 extreme to another. Ban all peanut products or ban the child. dont seem right but then again the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. heres my take if that child has that bad of a reaction then maybe he shouldnt go on outings. a quote from a movie years ago " the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few " . if I am leading a outing where a child needs such specialized treatment then yes a parent need to go and watch out for that child. I as a leader have enough trouble with the other kids on outings I dont have time to babysit a child with problems. I know this will upset some of yall but put yourself in the place of a leader and take away this childs parents, you are responsible for the well being of the child. what will you do when something happens to this child? whose fault is it? who gets sued? if something does happen under you watch then how will you feel about takeing care of another child? put yourself in the shoes of someone that has had problems it is not a fun thing mentally to go thru.
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Postby ThunderingWind » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:40 pm

cballman wrote:A quote from a movie years ago " the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few " .


The sad truth is that the legal system has been on a path that disagrees with this quote.

Too many people would rather see the all foods banned from the entire planet rather than have even one person suffer.

So I offer this soluton: The BSA takes a nice PR position and creates in each district an Algergen Free Pack, Troop (Crew and Team as needed). The parents of the suffering youth are the leadership to insure no other peanut-loving, GORP eating boy comes near them.

Summer camp events will be on a Regional scale, with each Council providing a sanatized camp on a rotating basis over the years. Lottery will pick the "duty rooster."
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