I Want to Fire Our SPL

[scouter01]

But if it came down to it, I am suppoesd to put my religion before school?

[OldGreyBear]

yes

[evmori]

But if it came down to it, I am suppoesd to put my religion before school?

Yes. Always.

[FrankJ]

In all three oaths, cub scouts, boy scouts, & venturing, Duty to god is first. That is not an accident.

[OldGreyBear]

dang this is a red letter day the three of us agreeing on somehting!!!!!!

[pipestone1991]

Well yes, but should I put that my religion over schoolwork and just pray that I have a good life?

Yes.

[Mrw]

In the community where I lived as a child, we had a large Jewish population and the public schools were closed for Rosh Hashanna and Yom Kippur every year because of the number of students who would skip school for temple and their religious duties that day.

We have people at work who take off Jewish and Muslim holy days that are generally considered work days. Duty to God is first.

[spl08]

You age out of Boy scouts before you are eligible for drafting.

You are correct, but if there was some way that scouting and Duty to Counrty conflicted, Duty to Country would take priority and that was my point; in any conflict between Duty to Country and something below Duty to Country, Duty to Country takes priority.

fyi: bar mitzvahs and baptisms ( some at least) occur way before you take an AP test

Usually but sometimes they may not. I know that Confirmations and Baptisms can happen at almost any point in time depending on age and other factors so it is logical that there could be a confliction between two. That being said you are correct in that most happen before you take an AP Test. But what about other school tests? Public schools usually don't delay their tests or alter test schedualing because of Religious events.

[AquilaNegra2]

But if it came down to it, I am suppoesd to put my religion before school?

Before everything.

[scouter01]

Well, I'm a reform jew, and it doesn't seem like this is what they think, because I talked to the Rabbi ( since boyscouts and hebrewschool confict) and so I only go to half of the hebrew school and most of my boy scouts

[Mrw]

We used to have a bunch of kids who had a similar church school conflict and handled it the same way.

If you have talked to the Rabbi and this was okayed or suggested as an acceptable way to handle it, then you did the right thing in the duty to your religion.

[scouter01]

I am still putting scouts over religion though. Even though he okay'd it doesn't make that less true

[AquilaNegra2]

Scouter, that's a decision you personally have to make. Some might consider that contrary to the teachings of the Torah.

Which is going to have a greater impact on your life AS A WHOLE?

Where a person spends his time says a lot about his priorities.

[scouter01]

I think a good education will have more of an impact then god.

[FrankJ]

I think a good education will have more of an impact then god.

That is an interesting point of view. Are you saying that an educated person can have more impact than god? Or that an education is of more benefit to you than god? Or just stirring the pot? Be sure to bring it up at your next BOR where you can discuss it in depth.

[scouter01]

I am definetly not going talking about #1.
Mostly #3 some #2.

On a new subject ( that came to me while I was posting) perhaps Bsa's numbers are dropping because most kids don't consider themselves religious and you need to be for Boy scouts. Hmmm

[pipestone1991]

On a new subject ( that came to me while I was posting) perhaps Bsa's numbers are dropping because most kids don't consider themselves religious and you need to be for Boy scouts. Hmmm

To answer your previous question as to whether religion is better than a good education I'm sure in many cases it is. I'm not sure if those who are Jewish believe in an afterlife (but I think so) but I know for sure Muslims and Christians do. Those who worship these two massive religions must be generally good to God in life to achieve entrance into Heaven/Paradise.

[AquilaNegra2]

On a new subject ( that came to me while I was posting) perhaps Bsa's numbers are dropping because most kids don't consider themselves religious and you need to be for Boy scouts. Hmmm

The BSA membership is fine. Not dropping drastically. Anyway, I doubt that's the reason. I have an Athiest Eagle Scout friend who says he's reverent to his family. I'm not about to rat him out for it. And to answer your previous question as to whether religion is better than a good education, I'm sure in many cases it is. I'm not sure if those who are Jewish believe in an afterlife (but I think so) but I know for sure Muslims and Christians do. Those who worship these two massive religions must be generally good to God in life to achieve entrance into Heaven/Paradise.

By not 'ratting him out', you're missing the HONOR part of Scouting.

Also, point of correction: Christians believe that your goodness is irrelevant to your salvation (Rom 3:10).

Additionally, since 86% of adults in the USA claim to be religious (80% Christian, or 78.5% if you count out Mormons), I would find your assertion that most children are not religious to be highly improbable.

[milominderbinder2]

I have an athiest Eagle Scout friend who says he's reverent to his family. I'm not about to rat him out for it.

Pipestone,

You have a moral obligation.

- Craig

[scouter01]

On a new subject ( that came to me while I was posting) perhaps Bsa's numbers are dropping because most kids don't consider themselves religious and you need to be for Boy scouts. Hmmm

The BSA membership is fine. Not dropping drastically. Anyway, I doubt that's the reason. I have an Athiest Eagle Scout friend who says he's reverent to his family. I'm not about to rat him out for it. And to answer your previous question as to whether religion is better than a good education, I'm sure in many cases it is. I'm not sure if those who are Jewish believe in an afterlife (but I think so) but I know for sure Muslims and Christians do. Those who worship these two massive religions must be generally good to God in life to achieve entrance into Heaven/Paradise.

By not 'ratting him out', you're missing the HONOR part of Scouting.

Also, point of correction: Christians believe that your goodness is irrelevant to your salvation (Rom 3:10).

Additionally, since 86% of adults in the USA claim to be religious (80% Christian, or 78.5% if you count out Mormons), I would find your assertion that most children are not religious to be highly improbable.

Yes. Many adults are religious. However teenagers don't always do what their parents want them to do. And I know many people who consider themselves christians by birth or Jew by birth meaning they were born into that religion but are either agnostic ( Don't know if god exists or doesn't exist) or athiests who believe that god doesn't exist.