Leaders Who Refuse To Take Training

[Mrw]

Do you have a unit commissioner?

Maybe you can get this person to show up for a committee meeting and give a presentation on the training available through your district and/or council and talk about why the council wants more leaders to be trained. As them to include information on training, such as National Youth Leader Training that is available for the boys too.

[gwd-scouter]

If your son doesn't like the Troop, then finding another Troop seems the best option. You state he is 2nd Class. If so, then serving as SPL will do nothing to advance him in rank. PORs are not required for advancement until a Scout is working toward Star, Life and Eagle.

[WVBeaver05]

Let me agree with many folks here:

I think the current training for each position should be mandatory with a time limit. A year seems generous for most. SM takes the Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills which is typically harder to schedule, maybe a year + the time until the next one IF the other training is complete. Is this agressive? Maybe a bit. Maybe allow for special case exceptions up to say 2 years - but not longer.

Follow the policy of my Council. No Unit may recharter unless the top level leader is fully trained for that position. Supposed to have added the CC this year too, but I haven't heard the status as there have been NUMEROUS professional staff changes. I would only make exceptions to this policy for Units in their first year of existence and perhaps not even then.

The BSA training sessions would probably rate above average to excellent. Take advantage and participate -- even if you don't think you need it. If you go to any training and don't learn something then you probably aren't paying attention (exception is really bad training and with the participation of others you probably can learn something there too).

Push NYLT. If necessary, push it directly to the Scouts. I have actually been told my SMs that they don't want their youth taking that training because they will come back and want to do things differently!!

I've been gone for a week (summer camp -- yippee!!!) so I may have missed it, but here is another one. Volunteer to conduct training!! You should learn more preparing to teach than you did when you took the class and you will probably pick up something from the participants too. (Just a note, but if I were in charge of training I would only use WB trained volunteers to teach the classes. Just my opinion.)

Periodic retraining? Yes, but I haven't decided on the frequency yet.

YiS

[ScoutingStokes]

Not everyone moves at the speed of sound. Try an ENCOURAGING route with a troop this young. Encourage all the OTHER adults to get trained. Sooner or later, he'll follow suit.

I'm not talking about the speed of sound, I'm talking about a CC who has held his position for almost 6 months and has SAID he will not take training, and by no means plans on taking training. Likewise his wife, the Treasurer for the last year, has no training and has not shown up for a CMeeting or provided a report since Nov. I have been encouraging, even giving a ride to a Council training to 2 folks who've since quit the committee because of all this. That leaves only 3 other registered members besides myself, the CC and his wife - one who just joined who has had all her training at my encouragement, the Secretary and a member who also just joined - both of whom I recently spoke to again and ecouraged to take the online training. I have stayed for a year in hopes that I could help such a new Troop get off the ground and work appropriately, but am kiboshed at every turn. CIP, the boys just got back from a two day campout that didn't have a Tour Permit filed for it until the day before they left.... But I was told to let it rest, the Tour Permit was filed so what's the big deal? And so what if the boys went to a place where reservations could not be made and there was not even a guaranteed campsite where they could put all the boys together?

He doesn't like the Troop, but wants his time as SPL for rank. That's disturbing. Is he 17.5 years old and needs to stay to make Eagle? If he doesn't LIKE the troop, how can he be leading it and serving it?

He is only 13. He doesn't like that the SM won't LET him lead the Troop, and that the CC joins them on campouts and takes over, as well. He wants to lead and teach the boys, and enjoys it. I thought he could use the time as SPL for his needed requirements for later ranks, like teaching the 1C skills at TF level, but I guess not.

[pipestone1991]

Oh and BTW, not every leader is required to have YPT. According to the MyScouting, each troop needs to have one (at least) leader who is YP trained on each campout. The others do not have to be.

[WVBeaver05]

A leader with YPT is required on all outings. All leaders attending National events are required to have YPT (as I recall).

Requirements aside, I recommend that ALL registered leaders complete YPT within the week that they are registered. This both gives them the information to protect the youth and gives them the background to understand the BSA policies that they are expected to obey.

If I were in charge, it would be required!!

YiS

[mhjacobson]

Wait until the leaders see the new Tour permit form. Leaders will now have to give the date that they have taken the new weather training as well as YPT. This is one of National's response to both the low % of those direct contact leaders who have not completed YPT as well as the loss of the scout camp.

[wagionvigil]

I made my warning about Tour Permits a year or so ago. Troops are going to suffer because they do not file tour permits. Leaders are going to get a letter saying they are no longer a member of the BSA.

[wagionvigil]

Here is the link to the new Tour Permit. I wouyld highly suggest that everyone take a few minutes and read it in its entirity. There are some major changes


http://scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34426.pdf

[mt_goodrich]

My troop was one that never filed a tour permit. That changed the day I took over as Scoutmaster. First order of business was to file a tour permit to travel to summer camp. It was quick and painless, as I had all the information needed. I am fortunate to be close to the Council Office as I pass by there on a regular basis. Just stopped in, dropped it off and then picked up the approval form about two weeks later.

This tour permit didn't ask about the weather training, but I went ahead and took it anyway and I have a print out stating I completed it. While I had time, I went ahead and did the Safe Swim Defense and the Safety Afloat.

[riverwalk]

We will always have knuckleheades nearby, that won't do what's needed or they only do what they like. We've got another internal effort going in one of my units, to take over the committee. I think partly it is so they won't have to deal with training any longer. They fail to appreciate the fact that our current leaders derve at the pleasure of the CO. And the COR is aware of this little "coo".

Not trained? Cancel the next outing. If this raises any mass inquiry, then the problem will be there for all to resolve. Most of thime when a Scouter isn't cooperating (training), other Scouters/parents are unaware. Let them see where the weak link is.