Adult Leaders - What if No One Applies

[ThunderingWind]

What if no one is applying to be the adult leadership for your Council's group?

What if those qualified SMs that did not apply are telling a search committee "no" when called and asked to lead?

What if the only thing keeping a good leader (ASM) from the position is that there are no Troops in the Council that need a Scoutmaster but he is WB qualified?

What if the qualified SMs are choosing to go as Staff?

How would you fill your adult leadership slots and still stay within the rules and regulations?

[FieldSports]

While the SM postion is highly regarded and requested, your council would be foolish to bypass a qualified ASM to lead the Jambo troop. An ASM might even be a better choice for Jambo, because he/she can devote the time to running the contingent troop. The SM are busy with home unit.

Sort of shocked that your council is looking for leaders. We had to be interviewed, etc. because of the number of adults who wanted to go with the troops.

If I get your last part of the question correctly, the council is faced with no SM for Jambo. So in order to not break the "rules", they would elect to force an unwilling SM to take the position or worse not have the youth attend ?

No brainer, fire the people selecting the leaders and then beg that ASM to take the troop.

[ThunderingWind]

While the SM postion is highly regarded and requested, your council would be foolish to bypass a qualified ASM to lead the Jambo troop. An ASM might even be a better choice for Jambo, because he/she can devote the time to running the contingent troop. The SM are busy with home unit.

Sort of shocked that your council is looking for leaders. We had to be interviewed, etc. because of the number of adults who wanted to go with the troops.

If I get your last part of the question correctly, the council is faced with no SM for Jambo. So in order to not break the "rules", they would elect to force an unwilling SM to take the position or worse not have the youth attend ?

No brainer, fire the people selecting the leaders and then beg that ASM to take the troop.

Can not fire them, they are trying to encourge qualified SMs to apply. It is interesting the those qualified for the SM and 1st ASM Jambo positions are not wanting to lead, go etc... Several SMs who would be good but need WB, do not want to do WB.

As far as taking a good ASM and making him the SM or 1st ASM - that is againt the Jambo rules. One MUST have served as a Troop SM for at least one year in the previous three.

We had 8 guys apply for the two 2nd ASM slots because that is what we are qualified to hold. If I remember right, one of the eight is actually qualed to be SM/1st ASM but does not want the job.

Anyway, was just wondering out loud so to speak on what could happen.

[FrankJ]

I expect those kind of rules are intended to thin out a large field of applicants. Somebody at the council level should be able to re evaluate the rules if the are hindering the program.

[wagionvigil]

Council is Bound by what Nationals Rules are for The Jamboree

[Bill Pitcher]

Where can one find the list of rules for selecting Jambo SM's, 1st. and 2nd. ASM's and youth leaders? Thanks in advance.

[wagionvigil]

Where can one find the list of rules for selecting Jambo SM's, 1st. and 2nd. ASM's and youth leaders? Thanks in advance.

http://www.bsajamboree.org/staff.html STaff

http://www.bsajamboree.org/register-scoutmaster.html Adult Leaders

http://www.bsajamboree.org/register.html Scouts

[ThunderingWind]

No brainer, fire the people selecting the leaders and then beg that ASM to take the troop.

Interesting twist on this...we were having a "think outside the box" session and two ideas came up

1) If there is an SM that wants to step down and the unit has no ASM willing to step up, ask if one of the ASMs wnating to be Jambo leader can step in. Might require some travel to get to the unit but they would have an SM willing to do the job.

2) There are is one ASM who also has a Lone Scout son (due to some medical issues). he applied and would be a good SM/1st ASM for jambo. Have his family charter a troop with his son as the only boy and he becomes the SM and then qualifies.

Again, these are outside the box and no one is actively seeking to implement....but one has to wonder how we can accomplish the goal.....

[FieldSports]

I still would encourage your Council to look at qualified ASM. If the options are ASM with 10 years experience, WB, Philmont, etc. and SM with 1 year experience and WB. No brainer IMHO, go with the ASM. It is a council decision at the end of the day, wether they choose the right person for the job or the one that only meets the requirements.

PS. I am Coach and Advisor, not only to provide a great program for my boys, but also to meet the rules. I will do what I have to be there

PSS I also suspect that the rules were put in place to have "fresh faces" and increase WB enrollment.

[scoutaholic]

Council is Bound by what Nationals Rules are for The Jamboree

The council my be 'bound' by the National rules, but is there anyone checking to make sure they do it?

The SMs from GSLC include the Lodge Advisor and several long-time council staff members. Many have been SMs at several Jamborees.

I would be surprised if 1/4 of the 20 SMs selected have any recent experience as SM of a troop.


It's almost impossible for a scouter on the troop level to get a position in a GSLC Jamboree contingent.

[wagionvigil]

All participants MUST fill out the online registration. BSA Does do a check to make sure they meet the requirements. WE have had different leadership at the last three Jamborees. Sounds like you might be in the good ole boy system Our troop leadership was picked last winter. We are a small council. Last Jamboree the 3rd asst was our lodge chief of one troop this jamboree he will move up to 2nd asst.