Visiting The Jamboree

[wagionvigil]

Scout Visitors to the Jamboree: Jamboree activities are made possible by the event fees paid by participating Scouts and leaders. To ensure all paying Scouts get ample opportunity to participate in all of the jamboree activities, visiting Scouts will not be allowed to participate in events and activities at the 2010 National Scout Jamboree. Participation in the activities at the action centers (action alley, air rifle, archery, bikathon, buckskin games, confidence course, motocross, pioneering, rappelling, and trapshooting) by members of visiting units will not be allowed. Other areas reserved for paid jamboree participants are the outback centers (conservation, fishing, and aquatics), mountain boarding, and the Order of the Arrow’s THE MYSTERIUM COMPASS. Visitors will not be able to work on merit badge requirements at the Merit Badge Midway. Visitors are allowed to watch the action, tour the various activity sites, and purchase food and awesome souvenirs at the trading posts.

Parent & Visitor Information
The jamboree will be open to visitors every day beginning Wednesday, July 28, and continuing through Tuesday, August 3. Visitor hours are 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., with the following exceptions:


■Wednesday, July 28: 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.
■Saturday, July 31: 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. (to allow for arena show attendance only)
There are no accommodations on site for visitors, including RV, tentage, or fixed housing. Upon entering the jamboree site, guests will be directed to the public information tent in the main parking lot. Here, they will receive directions to regions, subcamps, or activity areas.

[Billiken]

Part of what you posted is in the Leader's Guide (page 21).

I could not find part about event access for ONLY paid participants (as it should be).

I know of two leaders bring non-Jambo Scouts to the Jamboree next year.
Need to warn them of this...what the source????

THANKS

[wagionvigil]

The 2010 Jamboree Web Site. I will tell you we are told point blank. No non participant scouts are permitted. And if we find people with false or not their ID's to call the MP's. You can usually tell by watching them and looking at their clothing.

They can visit and watch they just cannot do anything that was listed above. They are welcome to tour the national exhibits and the conservation area.


Plus why would a scouter take non participants to the Jamboree?

[scoutaholic]

...Plus why would a scouter take non participants to the Jamboree?

That's an easy one -- To participate in the above mentioned activities without paying $900.

If I lived closer, and couldn't afford or couldn't get into my council jamboree contingent, I would consider making other camping and food arrangements, then 'visiting' the jamboree every day. There must be local Virginia scouts who are not part of a council contingent, but come anyway.

[wagionvigil]

they have really said that if we catch a kid they will be asked to leave the Jamboree Area
If the adults can be located that suggested this they May no longer be in scouting by the time they get home
There were troops that came every day last jambo We have been told that has been taken care of. We will see. They came to trade patches Mostly.
I made a suggestion that everyone that enters pay $5.00 so they could cut the cost to the Real Scouts.
WE heard a rumopr last time that picture ID's would be used did not happen Heard it this time also and believe it is just a rumor but it would solve many problems
BTW I cannot believe you as a scouter would say this unless you mean just to visit.

If I lived closer, and couldn't afford or couldn't get into my council jamboree contingent, I would consider making other camping and food arrangements, then 'visiting' the jamboree every day.

[wagionvigil]

SOme areas are ticketed like the Outback areas( Boating,Sailoarding etc) SCUBA, OA Show. These tickets are given to the unit leaders and are time and date sensitive. SO if a unit misses their Time and date for the OA show Tough. The Army stuff is for anyone to takle part I believe.

When a kid comes to Rappelling we check that they have an ID and a passport book to stamp. If a staff suspects something then I get involved and ask a few questions. I have caught a few and sent them along but this Jamboree the rules have changed.
Yes there are VIP's that we run through the Tower BUT we do not take any equipment away from the Boys. The same number of harness's and helmets (50) are always there for the Participants. I have a very talented staff.

Conservation Area Yes Army Action Area Yes
Outback Areas No Merit Badge Midway NO
National Exhibits Yes Wednesday Show NO
Action Centers NO Saturday Show YES
OA Show NO Climbing Walls NO
SCUBA NO Venturing Area Not Sure about that one
Swimming NO
Mountain Boarding NO

[scoutaholic]

...BTW I cannot believe you as a scouter would say this unless you mean just to visit.

If I lived closer, and couldn't afford or couldn't get into my council jamboree contingent, I would consider making other camping and food arrangements, then 'visiting' the jamboree every day.

I've never been to a Jamboree, and can't say with any authority how daily 'visiting' would work. I would think that visiting is allowed because they want to allow others to participate who are unable to come as a part of the contingent. (If not, why do they allow visitors?)

I've discovered that getting in the contingent is far more difficult than I would think, and excludes many. Each council only has a given number of spots, and there are hundreds of others who would love to participate. For the youth, the slots go to those who are first to commit $3000+. For adults in our council, it is not a matter of money, qualifications, or experience. It is the 'good-old-boys' club. It doesn't matter how badly I want to go, they won't take me.

If visiting is allowed (even with a daily admission price), why would I not consider it?

[wagionvigil]

Visiting is encouraged it is the troops that visit and try to do restricetd activities. Notice I listed whjat you can and cannot do as a visitor. Yes adult participation is a problem because only 3 over 21 per troop. That is why there are over 5000 staff positions. This jamboree they even reduced the 18-25 year old fee to the youth staff fee of $395.00 BTW There are still some staff positions open

[Billiken]

I've discovered that getting in the contingent is far more difficult than I would think, and excludes many. Each council only has a given number of spots, and there are hundreds of others who would love to participate. For the youth, the slots go to those who are first to commit $3000+. For adults in our council, it is not a matter of money, qualifications, or experience. It is the 'good-old-boys' club. It doesn't matter how badly I want to go, they won't take me.

FYI - This is my first time as a leader attending a National Jamboree.
I will not go again......I want to allow other Scouters the opportunity to do so.

$3000...ouch. Must be flying first class.
From Cleveland the all-in fee is $1600 and includes 5 days of post-Jambo touring in VA and MD (all meals covered).

Sadly, we did recently have to remove some scouts from our 4-troop contingent that had not paid the fees due to date ($1000 of the $1600).
We've got 8 or so Scouts on the wait list with "checks in hand".
I know it sounds cold/cruel...but all four Jambo troops have started monthly meetings and in October will elect SPLs, ASPLs, PLs, etc.

[alex gregory]

Visiting is encouraged . . ..

Since you can't do anything but sweat and be treated like something the cat dragged in why would you waste your time visiting?

[wagionvigil]

Is it fair for a scout to Pay 1600-3000 to attend that jamboree and then have johnny scout show up and pay nothing and get to do the same activities? I think not. There is plenty to do at the Jamboree for Non participants AND One day is plenty. All the National Exhibits, The Conservation area which is fantastic and the Army Action Areas are great. Brown Sea Island is cool also.
For Billiken Sign up for Staff the next one in 2013 totally perspective and I can arrange for you to work at my tower( if I am still there).

[scoutaholic]

I've discovered that getting in the contingent is far more difficult than I would think, and excludes many. Each council only has a given number of spots, and there are hundreds of others who would love to participate. For the youth, the slots go to those who are first to commit $3000+. For adults in our council, it is not a matter of money, qualifications, or experience. It is the 'good-old-boys' club. It doesn't matter how badly I want to go, they won't take me.

...
$3000...ouch. Must be flying first class.
From Cleveland the all-in fee is $1600 and includes 5 days of post-Jambo touring in VA and MD (all meals covered).

I just checked Delta Air prices - $303.01 roundtrip. With the $900 National Registration, that leaves $1800 for ground transportation, equipment (they buy tents/stoves/everything new every jambo), and 5 days touring (hotels/restaurants/etc/etc.) I'm pretty sure someone is lining their pockets with some of that money.

Sadly, we did recently have to remove some scouts from our 4-troop contingent that had not paid the fees due to date ($1000 of the $1600).
We've got 8 or so Scouts on the wait list with "checks in hand".
I know it sounds cold/cruel...but all four Jambo troops have started monthly meetings and in October will elect SPLs, ASPLs, PLs, etc.

Don't know all the details, but I know of boys in my contingent troop who have still only paid the $100 deposit, and have not registered with national yet. They will probably be weeded out soon. UNPC has already considered dropping a troop because they can't get enough boys to pay the bucks and fill the contingent.
My contingent troop has already had a camp, elected leaders, and planned more camps for March and June. We will probably be doing some leadership training and a few meetings also.
Boys in the contingent troop live hundreds of miles apart, and getting everyone together for monthly meetings is tough. There are 3 boys from other councils (relatives/friends of local boys), and 8 from Japan that we will probably never meet until Jamboree.

[wagionvigil]

And the 15% for your council not to be smart.

[scoutaholic]

Is it fair for a scout to Pay 1600-3000 to attend that jamboree and then have johnny scout show up and pay nothing and get to do the same activities? I think not. There is plenty to do at the Jamboree for Non participants AND One day is plenty. All the National Exhibits, The Conservation area which is fantastic and the Army Action Areas are great. Brown Sea Island is cool also.
For Billiken Sign up for Staff the next one in 2013 totally perspective and I can arrange for you to work at my tower( if I am still there).

I didn't say that visiting and doing the same things for free would be fare, just that I would consider doing it if it were an available option.

Knowing what is not available for Non Participants, I retract my previous statement. I probably would not consider visiting much.

[alex gregory]

At the the risk of hijacking the thread . . . $1600 to $3000 is WAY too much money. Coming from Oregon we've been told to budget $4000+ when you include extra uniforms and spending money. That's one big pile of cash, and just under 10% of current Oregon median household income. Must be nice to have that kind of discretionary funds.

[wagionvigil]

Our council is $1300.00 Our council also sells uniforms to contingent members at cost.