Volunteer causing multiple instances of "conflict"

[biglou]

Admin note: This thread was split from Board of Review Composition.

This would be the most appropriate place for this question. I had a mother request that a certain person(s) be excluded from her son's Eagle Scout BOR because of possible family conflicts. To be quite honest, I don't blame her for the request. Is this allowed? Just want to make sure about t

[wagionvigil]

This would be the most appropriate place for this question. I had a mother request that a certain person(s) be excluded from her son's Eagle Scout BOR because of possible family conflicts. To be quite honest, I don't blame her for the request. Is this allowed? Just want to make sure about this.

Absolutely!

[smtroop168]

The ACPP (12 Steps Step #8) says "The Scout may have no input into the selection of the board of review members." I would think this applies to the Mom since she may be asking for him but ask your DAC. IMHO...Families need to stand back when a scout gets to this point and let him stand on his own.

[ThunderingWind]

The ACPP (12 Steps Step #8) says "The Scout may have no input into the selection of the board of review members." I would think this applies to the Mom since she may be asking for him but ask your DAC. IMHO...Families need to stand back when a scout gets to this point and let him stand on his own.

I think you overlooked that "Mom" was pointing out a possible family relationship issue.

However, I have no problem with the cousin of my sister's aunt nephews brothers uncles mothers neighbors college roommates paperboy sitting on the Board.

[smtroop168]

The ACPP (12 Steps Step #8) says "The Scout may have no input into the selection of the board of review members." I would think this applies to the Mom since she may be asking for him but ask your DAC. IMHO...Families need to stand back when a scout gets to this point and let him stand on his own.

I think you overlooked that "Mom" was pointing out a possible family relationship issue.

However, I have no problem with the cousin of my sister's aunt nephews brothers uncles mothers neighbors college roommates paperboy sitting on the Board.

Big Lou says "possible family conflicts". I don't read that as a Relative issue since that clearly no, I think this has something to do with Mom thinking this person will not be fair at a BOR because they don't like each other.

[wagionvigil]

The ACPP (12 Steps Step #8) says "The Scout may have no input into the selection of the board of review members." I would think this applies to the Mom since she may be asking for him but ask your DAC. IMHO...Families need to stand back when a scout gets to this point and let him stand on his own.

I believe when there may be a conflict it would be in the best interest of the scout, Troop, district and council to do whatever necessary to negate the problem.

[FrankJ]

The way I read APP (Advancement Policies & Procedures) is the scout does not get to pick his board. If the scout (or mom) has an issue with a possible board member, letting the committee know is completely appropriate. The committee can (and probably should) take that into consideration. If an adult has an personal beef with the scout or family, he should not be sitting on the board. While not specifically laid out in the APP, the APP does say that the board is supposed to be non adversarial. If the scout's behavior is so bad the entire committee has a beef with him--that is a different problem entirely.

[biglou]

The parents have requested that the Troop Treasurer be excluded from the Eagle Scout BOR. There is a personal history between the two families and I agree that she probably should be excluded from the Eagle Scout BOR. However, I am going to ask the future Eagle Scout what he wants to do. Seeing as how he wants to become a US Marine, I think he would do very well in a BOR with her present.

The treasurer is the one that is behind a lot of the problems in my Troop. Presently, she has been harassing a Life Scout about his Eagle Scout Service Project that was approved by me, then the Troop Committee Advancement Coordinator, and finally the local Eagle Scout coordinator appointed by the Council Advancement Committee. It was mentioned to one of the Troop Committee members about the harrasment and it will be handled at the next Committee meeting. There are other problems in other organizations across my hometown too. So it is not just me she has caused problems for.

I can remember at a Committee meeting a few years ago that the treasurer stated that her son will be an Eagle Scout. Well, he is not going to make it. He is three merit badges short, has not attended one meeting this year and has not met the leadership requirements. It is not my fault. We (the Assistant Scoutmasters and myself) had four Scoutmaster Conferences with the treasurer's son and he has only paid us lip service. To put it in a nice way, he made his choice not to be an Eagle Scout. As the saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". The other ASMs and I have tried to help him but he also has to help himself.

Thus ends my rambling for the evening after editing.

[Nuts4Scouts]

I am not sure what your personal problems with your Troop Committee, and/or this Committee Member and her son, have to do with this parents request.

A Scout's family, concerned about their son being harassed by a vindictive Committee Member, is something that should be taken very seriously. I see no reason to subject a youth to that, future Marine or not.

However, as SM you are not the one who will be choosing the EBOR members. I would talk to your Committee Chair, and your Advancement Chair, and make the request that this person not be a part of this EBOR.

Actually, from what you posted about this Committee Member, I don't understand why she would be asked to sit on ANY BOR, or even why she is still a Committee Member.

[smtroop168]

Big Lou...Nice to get the "rest of the story". Remember what I and other said above....the scout has no input to the board members so I would not ask him

I am not sure what your personal problems with your Troop Committee, and/or this Committee Member and her son, have to do with this parents request.

A Scout's family, concerned about their son being harassed by a vindictive Committee Member, is something that should be taken very seriously. I see no reason to subject a youth to that, future Marine or not.

However, as SM you are not the one who will be choosing the EBOR members. I would talk to your Committee Chair, and your Advancement Chair, and make the request that this person not be a part of this EBOR.

Actually, from what you posted about this Committee Member, I don't understand why she would be asked to sit on ANY BOR, or even why she is still a Committee Member.

BINGO! You would think given the history, the Troop Committee would be able to figure this out. This is one of the reasons why some councils have gone to District or Council EBORs. Takes all this garbage off the table.

[Mrw]

I agree she should not be sitting on any BOR, regardless of rank. I would also suggest it would be good for her to leave the unit, but if her darling is about to age out without finishing an Eagle award, I suspect she will be gone soon enough.

Might be good to recruit a replacement Treasurer now, so that person is ready to take over when she goes.

[ThunderingWind]

Big Lou says "possible family conflicts". I don't read that as a Relative issue since that clearly no, I think this has something to do with Mom thinking this person will not be fair at a BOR because they don't like each other.

OK...I can see your point. I blame the crappy education I received as teaching me only one way to read that passage of the American English language and the general direction of the thread to that point...maybe I need to file a lawsuit against my old school system.

[smtroop168]

Big Lou says "possible family conflicts". I don't read that as a Relative issue since that clearly no, I think this has something to do with Mom thinking this person will not be fair at a BOR because they don't like each other.

OK...I can see your point. I blame the crappy education I received as teaching me only one way to read that passage of the American English language and the general direction of the thread to that point...maybe I need to file a lawsuit against my old school system.

That's okay...ever read some of the BSA guidance or MB requirements? Every read them twice and come up with two different interpretations? How do you count Days and Nights of camping? And Why is it Days and Nights? why not just nights?

I agree she should not be sitting on any BOR, regardless of rank. I would also suggest it would be good for her to leave the unit, but if her darling is about to age out without finishing an Eagle award, I suspect she will be gone soon enough.

Might be good to recruit a replacement Treasurer now, so that person is ready to take over when she goes.

Do an audit.

[biglou]

I got to apologize about creating a new topic/thread about this. Sorry. My bad

[RWSmith]

I got to apologize about creating a new topic/thread about this. Sorry. My bad

No problem... it just grew legs; so, I transplanted it before it got too big. It's all good.

[evmori]

From what I read, this person is nothing but a problem and should not be rechartered.

[jr56]

I agree with Ed. As has been stated multiple times, have the Committee chair thank her for her service and say goodbye.

[kwildman]

volunteering is not a right it is a privilege. As a leader of many different youth organizations i have had to tell volunteers that their services were no longer needed. I even had a dad threaten to sue me because I wouldnt let him coach in our youth football league. You need to get rid of the bad fruit...the rotten apple spoils the whole bushel. I would not risk losing good people by keeping someone like that around.

[smtroop168]

Once you can get her out, I bet you get some new ones in. The new ones probably haven't volunteered up to now because they didn't want to deal with her. Happened to us...Got rid of one, have 3 new CMs YPT and everything!!

[wagionvigil]

Once you can get her out, I bet you get some new ones in. The new ones probably haven't volunteered up to now because they didn't want to deal with her. Happened to us...Got rid of one, have 3 new CMs YPT and everything!!

Sash Lady?