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Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:13 pm

Hello,

This is my first post here and I am looking forward to this resource.

I am a District training chairman and have volunteered to present "conducting a unit board of review" at our June 2nd roundtable. I am wondering if anyone can give me ideas for the presentation. If someone has a PPT they use or could recommend, that would be great!

Also, we have troops that retest. When I tell them they can't retest, they ask well can a BOR hold back a Scout from advancing. Well the answer to that is yes. So then they ask, give us some examples. So, that is my question to the group, can you give me some examples of when a unit BOR can hold up a Scout's advancement?

Thank you all in advance for your input!

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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby smtroop168 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:29 pm

Welcome to the Forum. Read over this link and it should cover what you're looking for.


http://www.scouting.org/Training/Adult/ ... ining.aspx


An example where the BOR may feel they need to adjourn and reconvene could be where the scout is extremely nervous and cannot seem to get his thoughts together to answer basic questions. Early BORs sometimes need to pull info out of the scout in the early questioning. The SM needs to prepare his scouts for BORs and pre-brief the BOR if necessary on scouts he feels are uneasy on the process.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:58 pm

smtroop168 wrote:Welcome to the Forum. Read over this link and it should cover what you're looking for.


http://www.scouting.org/Training/Adult/ ... ining.aspx

Thanks! Using that as a base. Unfortunately, they don't have a PPT there :(

An example where the BOR may feel they need to adjourn and reconvene could be where the scout is extremely nervous and cannot seem to get his thoughts together to answer basic questions.


Thanks!!! Any other examples?
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby smtroop168 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:10 pm

http://www.boyscouttroop151.com/.../Tro ... iew%20(BOR)%20BSC%20205%20final.ppt

you can search for this if you can't cut and paste the whole link
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:00 pm

Thank you very much. That slide deck says "Sole basis of denial rests on the Scout’s not meeting the requirements"

First I've seen wording like that. Kinda makes sense, however the interpretation of "meeting the requirements" is, well, not defined. For example if a Scout is signed off on something but the board member doesn't think the Scout learned it well enough to meet the requirement, can he ask him to redo the requirement? Note this is not retesting, this is interpretation of "meeting the requirements."

I also saw another slide deck just now that said that determining 'scout spirit' is also up to the board. I thought we had a requirement that is signed off by the Scoutmaster for that.

Can you give me your perspective on this touchy subject?
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby smtroop168 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:23 pm

bnelso wrote:Thank you very much. That slide deck says "Sole basis of denial rests on the Scout’s not meeting the requirements"

First I've seen wording like that. Kinda makes sense, however the interpretation of "meeting the requirements" is, well, not defined. For example if a Scout is signed off on something but the board member doesn't think the Scout learned it well enough to meet the requirement, can he ask him to redo the requirement? Note this is not retesting, this is interpretation of "meeting the requirements."

I also saw another slide deck just now that said that determining 'scout spirit' is also up to the board. I thought we had a requirement that is signed off by the Scoutmaster for that.

Can you give me your perspective on this touchy subject?


No...Once the requirement is signed off...its signed off and he has met the requirement. If it somehow determined that the scout did not get the requirement signed off by someone authorized to sign it off, that's different. That is a troop internal issue that is not taken up at the scout's BOR.

On MBs, once a registered and approved counselor has passed a Scout on its requirements, a merit badge cannot be taken away. Neither does unit leadership have the authority to “veto” it. And even if it were found a counselor is not so documented it would be a rare occasion when a Scout would be punished for the failing of an adult.

For Scout Spirit, the ideals of the Boy Scouts of America are spelled out in the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. Members incorporating these ideals into their daily lives at home, at school, in their religious life, and in their neighborhoods, for example, are said to have Scout spirit. In evaluating whether a scout has "passed" this requirement, it may be best to begin by asking him to explain in his own words, what Scout spirit, and living the Scout Oath and Law mean. A BOR typically asks for examples of how a Scout has lived the Oath and Law. It might also be useful to ask for examples of failing to do so. Evaluating Scout Spirit will always be a judgment call, but through getting to know a young man and by asking probing questions we can get a feel for it. We can say however, that we do not measure it by counting meetings and outings attended, or just observing his enthusiasm. It is indicated instead; by the way he lives his life.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:45 pm

Thanks!

On Scout Spirit, it was my understanding that that requirement was signed off by the Scoutmaster, normally during the SM Conference. Does it also need to be signed off by the BOR?
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby Fibonacci » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:01 pm

We had to postpone (adjourn & reconvene) a BoR once when the Scout didn't actually have one of the Merit Badges he'd written down in his handbook. It was a mistake; he was not try to pull a fast one. But he really hadn't completed all the merit badges he needed for Star, so we stopped the Board almost as soon as we began.

We have postponed a Board when a Scout was very late. There was almost enough time to do it anyway, but we felt this Scout needed some time to think about the three adults who arrived at the meeting place on time to meet with him, but he wasn't there. (This was a terrific boy who just needed a wake up call, and it worked. He went on to be a fabulous member and contributor in the troop.)

examples of when a unit BOR can hold up a Scout's advancement

I wouldn't use this wording. This gives the "power" to the Board members, when actually it belongs to the Scout. He determines if he's ready and prepared. The Scoutmaster and Advancement Chair can help him to figure out if all the requirements are done, but it's really up to him to be ready to advance. Board members shouldn't "fail" a Scout who is prepared. Just my two cents.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:15 pm

OK, here is what I have so far:

Examples of issues that could cause a Scout not to advance during a board:

If it is determined that the Scout did not get a requirement signed off by someone authorized to sign it off

A requirement was skipped and not signed off (e.g., a Star Scout now needs to teach the certain skills using the EDGE method to make Life)

The Scout is unresponsive to questions

The list of merit badges in the Scout’s book is incorrect and the Scout does not have the correct badges to advance.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby RWSmith » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:57 pm

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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:21 am

Thank you everyone! I merged a couple of presentations people sent me and I added a bit from the discussion, and an idea of my own. Comments welcome:

http://www.bsatroop14.com/advancement/Board_of_Review_Training.ppt
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby smtroop168 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:52 am

bnelso wrote:Thanks!

On Scout Spirit, it was my understanding that that requirement was signed off by the Scoutmaster, normally during the SM Conference. Does it also need to be signed off by the BOR?


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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby smtroop168 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:16 am

bnelso wrote:Thank you everyone! I merged a couple of presentations people sent me and I added a bit from the discussion, and an idea of my own. Comments welcome:

http://www.bsatroop14.com/advancement/Board_of_Review_Training.ppt


Merit badges are earned and awarded at the district and council level. It is not a unit function. - NOT TRUE
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:19 am

smtroop168 wrote:Merit badges are earned and awarded at the district and council level. It is not a unit function. - NOT TRUE


Thanks, I will eliminate the sentance. I know what I was trying to say, but phrasing it correctly is escaping me.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:02 pm

Are these true statements?

Boards of Review cannot be held up because of lack of attendance. If the Scout has been signed off on all requirements, and has successfully completed a Scoutmaster Conference, he is eligible for a board of review.

Note some ranks have a requirement that needs to be signed off by the unit leader that they are active in the troop for a period of time. When signed off they have passed the requirement.

The definition of active is established by National and is in the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures book. Units may not create their own definition of active; it is a national standard.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby Fibonacci » Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:48 pm

Note some ranks have a requirement that needs to be signed off by the unit leader that they are active in the troop for a period of time. When signed off they have passed the requirement.

We had a Scout who was signed off for Life, but he actually hadn't reached his six month mark. (The Scoutmaster misread the calendar.) This was explained to the Scout who was willing to wait. Mom was very unhappy that we asked him to wait for the full six months since he was so close, but the Scout agreed that waiting was appropriate.

If we had passed him on his Board at 5.5 months and entered that date on Internet Advancement, it probably would have been allowed. But when his information was reviewed for Eagle, I think this would have been flagged. Our district Eagle person is very thorough. I don't know what would have happened then, but it wouldn't have been pretty.

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Other topic: Are you trying to say something like this?
Merit badge review is not a part of the Board of Review. A discussion about the merit badges earned is appropriate; reviewing the skills learned is not.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:08 pm

How about?


Boards of Review cannot be held up because of lack of attendance. If the Scout has been signed off on all requirements, and has successfully completed a Scoutmaster Conference, he is eligible for a board of review.

Note some ranks have a requirement that needs to be signed off by the unit leader that they are active in the troop for a period of time. The board should check to make sure the duration required has elapsed.

The definition of active is established by National and is in the Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures book. Units may not create their own definition of active; it is a national standard.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby Quailman » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:36 pm

True, True and True.

For the second one, the first requirement under Star, Life and Eagle ranks are be active for four, six and six months, respectively, since your last rank advancement. It's easy to check the date of his last BOR. The Advancement Chair can provide it, and it shuold be written in the boy's book.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby smtroop168 » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:50 pm

Boards of Review Must Be Granted When Requirements Are Met. A Scout cannot be denied this opportunity. When he believes he has completed all the requirements, including a Scoutmaster conference, it is up to the unit leader and committee to assure a board of review is held.

The requirement is to "participate" in a SMC.

The Active Definition is about to change on or about 1 June.
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Re: Conducting a Unit BOR Presentation

Postby bnelso » Fri May 06, 2011 5:49 pm

smtroop168 wrote:The requirement is to "participate" in a SMC.


Assuming a SM intended on deferring advancement and the Scout requests a BOR anyway. Can you give some examples of when a BOR might override a SM decision on deferment?
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