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Troop Medic

Postby t305spl » Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:37 pm

I want to speak with National about adding a
leadership position in the Troop for Troop Medic.
This person could be either an adult or a scout but
only one per troop. They would be incharge of keeping
the first aid kit, and keeping it up to date and in
stock. This person would have to have exceptional
First Aid skills someone who is certified as an OEC
Tech. or EMT. They would also keep medical forms, and
lists of meds. on trips and the instructions for the
meds. If a scout were holding this position he would
not be able to hold the meds. but he keeps track of
them. They are also on call at every troop
function. They teach and demonstrate and coordinate
the first aid portion of ranks. They plan to have
people come down to meetings for certification and
recertification of CPR/First Aid. You would have to
apply to your local council to be awarded this
position to make sure you are qualified for the
position before awarded it. This position you hold as
long as you are certified or you cant coninue with the
troop. This would help many troops on campouts and
any other function even training with safety being an
extremely important factor. This is someone you can
rely on to know what to do when you dont. I am in
training as of Sept. to be an OEC Tech. so this would
be a position I would want to hold to use my skills
and help the troop by using my skills.

Let me know what you think.
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Postby orennoah » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:28 am

An excellent suggestion!

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Postby ICanCanoeCanU » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:22 am

Great idea!
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Postby ASM-142 » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:11 am

This is a good idea. However, looking at the responsibilities that were outlined, keeping medical forms and lists of meds is a privacy issue that should not be the responsibility of a scout.
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Postby Lynda J » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:54 pm

I would not want to turn over medications for any boy to another scout. It is just to big a responsibility and there is the issue of privacy.

Our SM is an EMT/fireman. I have taught CPR and First Aid for the AMRC for nearly 30 years. I want to know about and see any injury that any boys in my charge receives. I do allow the boys to get a bandaid out of my first aid kit but I want to see the injury. I also keep a log of any injury, no matter now minor, that the boys receive while we are at any scouting activity, and this includes troop meetings. Several years there was a kid that "got a bug bite" he was given a bandaid to put on it and no one ever checked it. Well it was a spider bite and by the next morning he had a hugh ulcer, was in pain and was sent to the emergency room. It was never seen by an adult until it was really bad.
I know that sometimes my boys think I am overly protective but it is my responsibility as an adult to see to their safety.
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Postby wagionvigil » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:01 pm

Maybe a Troop "First Aider" would be more in line.
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Postby t305spl » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:09 pm

Of course many of these requirements and jobs would have to be changed or altered to fit needs but it seems like a good start.
Should I contact my Council or National about this position.
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Postby Lynda J » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:14 pm

First Aider would be a better idea. But since most positions in the troop are elected who would the decission be made as to who would be the First Aider? I would suggest that you sit down and write out some job discription requirements. Study them really well. Then take them and sent them to National.
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Postby t305spl » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:17 pm

Sounds good.
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Postby hops_scout » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:12 pm

I like the idea. And, in fact, have thought about it more than once. Our troop would have an easy decision to decide who it would be. Me. They always joke about how prepared I always was. They even say they think I carry a small first aid kit to school every day--I wouldnt go that far :lol:
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Postby t305spl » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:25 pm

Safety is a major part of scouting. Atleast someone in each unit should head it to make sure everything is safe and if something happens they can count on someone to help and know what to do.
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Postby ICanCanoeCanU » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:39 pm

How about like the Chaplin and Chaplin Aide?

An adult and a scout working together. Maybe the scout could be the first to make his opinion but ultimately the adult would be the one to treat the person and handle the paperwork (keeping hippa in mind). This could be a great position of responsibility added to the list for the boys to have more positions to hold.
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Postby hops_scout » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:53 am

ICanCanoeCanU wrote:Maybe the scout could be the first to make his opinion but ultimately the adult would be the one to treat the person and handle the paperwork (keeping hippa in mind) ..



You do realize (unless I have been told wrong by many on the Scouter forums) that HIPPA does not affect the BSA. Not that it isnt a good idea to follow those anyways.
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Postby ICanCanoeCanU » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:11 am

Yes I do, but some folks may not want youth reading personnal notes about themselves or their sons on medical forms. Just a process worth the consideration.
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Postby ASM-142 » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:56 am

I agree that HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) should not impact a sacout leader from holding medical type records. However, under no circumstances should a scout have this information on another scout.
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Postby Lynda J » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:25 pm

When I directed Cub Day camp myself, the medical officer and each den leader were the only people that had access to medical information and that was because it was a "need to know". No one else knew any of this information. Had a camp inspector that was upset that I didn't include the information if the attendance rosters. I informed her that no way was I releasing medical informaiton on anyone for the eyes of every person in camp. That it simply wasn't right.
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Postby RWSmith » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:25 pm

ASM-142 wrote:However, under no circumstances should a Scout have this information on another scout.


Agreed.
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Postby wagionvigil » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:34 pm

Lets look at this this way. If a boy has something lets say diabetes. It is important that everyone in the troop need to know the signs and treatment for insulin and sugar shock. If you have a boy that is on meds that can cause a bad reaction to something or an adult the troop needs to know this. I have been on serious blood thinners this year and I can bleed out quite quickly if not treated immediately. How about someone allergic to bee stings. Evryone in the troop needs to know how to use the epi pen.
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Postby t305spl » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:43 pm

Yes, my proposed Troop Medic position would not give the Troop Medic the medical forms that is for the Scoutmaster to keep. But if an emergency occurs the troop medic should have access to just that scouts information if the scout is not capable of giving the information out by himself. This would protect the scout and the Troop Medic. Now remember my Troop Medic position as stated before would be held by someone with advanced first aid certifications such as OEC, EMT-B, ect. These people already have the duty of filling out forms and providing prehospital care for people. No matter youth or adult when certified with that advanced certification and providing medical care that person should be able to view a medical record.
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Postby RWSmith » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:08 pm

Wagion,

Good point. And though I agree that fellow Scouts should know about the fact that Scout A.B. is allergic to bee venom, and that he carries atropine, and how to handle the situation, should the need arise, still though... that's not the same as having access to Medical forms. In my son's Troop, all Medical forms, both Scout and Scouter, are kept in a single binder. That information needs to stay together and in the hands of a responsible adult. No Scout needs access to that information... IMHO.
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