Leader/Venture Knot For Girl Scout Gold Award??????

[Billiken]

My co-den leader in Cub Scouts earned her Gold Award when in Girl Scouts. Since our sons crossed over last Wed she has twice told me to just ask if we need her for any committee/leadership position or other special projects/jobs. (We will be bringing her into the troop leadership structure.)

My neice is now working on her Gold Award. Her dad (my brother, an Eagle too) says it's every bit as hard as the trail to Eagle.

Obviously, we wear knots for Eagle, Arrow of Light, Religious, and heroism medals earned as a youth.

How about a knot-like patch for lady scouters and Venture Crew Members who, as youth, earned the Girl Scout Gold Award?

Thoughts?????

[wagionvigil]

Only BSA Awards!

[OldGreyBear]

I understand Wagion response, I think. I would not be in favor of a Gold Award knot for the boy scout uniform, unless of course there is a girl Scout equivelent for the Eagle rank on a Girl scout uniform.

Although for discussion sake, are the religious awards, and therefore knots, not technically BSA awards?

[wagionvigil]

They are Recognized and approved by the BSA! ALSo part of the Program!

[ASM-142]

If the BSA allows GSA awards on the BSA uniform what awards from other organizations will come next?

[RWSmith]

Following are references to several non-BSA insignia/awards that are approved for wear by National:

Regilious Awards. "The religious groups—not the Boy Scouts of America—have created the religious emblems programs themselves. The Boy Scouts of America has approved of these programs and allows the recognition to be worn on the official uniform, but each religious organization develops and administers its own program."

Community Organization Award. "As of January 1, 2004, there are seven awards which fall into this classification: The Marvin M. Lewis Award of the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks (BPOE), Daniel Carter Beard Masonic Scouter Award, Veterans of Foreign Wars Scouter's Achievement Award, American Legion Scouting Square Knot Award, Department of Defense—United States Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal, and Herbert G. Horton Alpha Phi Omega Youth Service Award of the Alpha Phi Omega national service fraternity. The George Meany Award of the American Federation of Labor & Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) is also part of this category, but retains the use of the original square knot designed for the Meany Award."

IMHO, the BSA would be wise to recognize GSA Gold Award recipients who are active BSA Venture Scouts (or Scouters), as such. The manner in which such recognition is realized, I have not considered; and, while I'm not suggestion a knot, I'm merely pointing out that we've made plenty of exceptions there, already. Anyhow, I would be very much in favor of any effort on our part (the BSA as a whole) to make any current or former member of the GSA to feel welcome and worthy within our own ranks... All I'm suggesting is, think about it.

[Billiken]

I hadn't thought about Girl Scouts in the Venture program.

The GSUSA does not have a program for young ladies beyond the age of 17. The Venture program is ideal for them should they wish to continue their scouting experience.

Are there any contentious "issues" between the BSA and GSUSA???

IIRC, the Girl Guides was also started by (Lady) Baden-Powell with basically the same program goals/ideas found in Scouting For Boys.

[Mrw]

It has been a while since I was a girl scout, but I thought Juliet Lowe's name was the one associated with the starting of Girl Scouting.

[Billiken]

It has been a while since I was a girl scout, but I thought Juliet Lowe's name was the one associated with the starting of Girl Scouting.

You are correct....she started the Girl Scouts of America.

[Mick Scouter]

I really enjoy how these threads take off in one day. BSA, GSUSA, should both be supportive of each other and recognize each others accomplishments. As far as items on the uniform why shouldn't the question be asked.

[cballman]

the problem with thae answer IMHO it makes to much sense. if you have a girl in venture scouts then IMHO if she earned the GS GOLD award the yes there need to be a knt or some form to regonize that. but then again most of the Girl Scout leaders im my area dont like men to be associated with the Girl Scouts. but that is how I feel.

[Mick Scouter]

I think it is ok to speak how you feel. Sometimes particurlarly in forums like this unlike in conversation, the receiver of the message can take it the wrong way. Four boys not girls and I like girls but a policy issue to be considered.

[riverwalk]

Uniforming guidelines are clear enough on this. But, the consideration of this person's "other" service is commendable. Recognize her in some other way, and encourage her to take full advantage of BSA training opportunities and service. She'll have Scouter knots to show for it too, haha.

Hmmm, when we were also Leaders in Camp Fire Boys and Girls, I got an Award there. Can I wear it on my......haha, just kiddin'.

[Billiken]

Four boys not girls and I like girls but a policy issue to be considered.

Mick: Could you please elaborate (I don't understand what you mean).

THANKS

[commish3]

As Wagionvigil pointed out, knots are only for activities or recognitions earned in connection to your membership in the BSA. However, if you look in the Venture Leaders manual you will see that the Girl Scouts Gold Award is approved for wear on the BSA Venturing uniform on formal occassions as is the Eagle Scout medal.

[Scouting179]

As Wagionvigil pointed out, knots are only for activities or recognitions earned in connection to your membership in the BSA. However, if you look in the Venture Leaders manual you will see that the Girl Scouts Gold Award is approved for wear on the BSA Venturing uniform on formal occassions as is the Eagle Scout medal.

Religious awards are controlled and run by the RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, not BSA. Therefore, they are not BSA awards. Neither are many of the trail medals people wear. Therefore, BSA has already allowed non-BSA awards, so what's the difference if we have a GOLD AWARD Knot?

More reasons BSA should have a full girls program, perhaps as sex segregated Packs and Troops but both fully able to earn the same things.

[Woodbadgegirl]

I'm all for Cub Girl Scouts! I hope I don't offend too many people with what I'm about to say....

There is no way I would have my daughter in today's Girl Scouting program. They have removed GOD from their oath, they allow Lesbians to guide our daughters, the president of the Girl scouts is a Lesbian and they are offering birth control ideas in the older scout's books. The President of Girls scouts was on The O'Reily Factor last year and stated that abortion is a form of birth control. I was morified!

I unerstand it use to be a wonderful program, I too was in it as a youth, but we need to find something that is going to adhere to the values that Lady Baden-Powel first started!

[commish3]

Religious awards are controlled and run by the RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, not BSA. Therefore, they are not BSA awards.

You misunderstand the relationship. The requirements are determined by the religion. The award is erned through the religion. the medal and certificate can be earned by anyone in or out of scouting who complete the requirements.

BUT...the knot is BSA issued and it is only issued to registered members of the BSA for having earned the award as members in the BSA.

So the knot represents activities and achievements earned as a member in the BSA.

A female Venturing member who has completed the religious award prior to membership in the BSA may wear the medal on her Venturing uniform for formal occassions. A female adult leader who has earned the religious award while a scouter can recieve the knot.

Hope this helps..

[Scouting179]

commish:

"The award is erned through the religion. the medal and certificate can be earned by anyone in or out of scouting who complete the requirements. "


You misunderstand my point and just made it yourself. ie, it is earned through the religion, not BSA. Therefore it is not a BSA program nor award, even if BSA allows a knot to be worn for it. BSA is recognizing a non-BSA award in doing this, so I see no difference if they permitted a know for the Gold Award.

[diamondbackAPL]

woodbadgegirl we agree with you completely. that's exactly why we won't let my little sister join.